Re: [CR]Cinelli's are rough? - Who is making "rough" bikes thesedays?

(Example: Production Builders:Cinelli)

Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 18:55:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [CR]Cinelli's are rough? - Who is making "rough" bikes thesedays?
From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com>
To: joe starck <joestarck2003@yahoo.com>, Richard Rose <rmrose@toast.net>
In-Reply-To: <20030309204630.97235.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com>
cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

on 03/09/2003 01:46 PM, joe starck at joestarck2003@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Richard-
> To answer your questions below with brevity, when the framebuilder is done
> designing he replaces his artisan hat with his craftsman hat; and to each his
> own hat size and taste.

Uh ... Joe? You might want to check the dictionary.

ar·ti·san Pronunciation Key  (ärt-zn, -sn) n.

A skilled manual worker; a craftsperson. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Probably French, from Italian artigiano, from Vulgar Latin *artitinus, from Latin arttus, skilled in the arts, past participle of artre, to instruct in the arts, from ars, art-, art. See ar- in Indo-European Roots.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ arti·san·al (ärt-z-nl, -s-, ärt-znl) adj. arti·san·ship n. ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

crafts·man Pronunciation Key  (krftsmn) n.

A man who practices a craft with great skill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ craftsman·like adj. craftsman·ly adj. craftsman·ship n. ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


> Joe Starck,
> Sun Prairie, Wisconsin
> Richard Rose <rmrose@toast.net> wrote:Joe Starck wrote, in part:
>
>> Hi Curt-
>> I think if a builder takes some old stamped lugs out of a box and alters
> them by adding or removing material for a new and pleasing look then the
> builder is an artisan. If the builder takes some IC lugs out of a box and
> removes the casting lines and other blips--that aint artisanship.
>> Joe Starck,
>> Sun Prairie, Wisconsin
>
> Hi Joe, welcome to the list:
> Now, suppose the artisan in question works all sort of magic on those
> stamped lugs but screws the pooch on the rest of the frame. Is he still an
> artisan? Does the guy using the IC pieces (maybe of his own design), who
> puts together a superior product and a good looking one to boot now qualify
> as an artisan?
> Hmmm, me thinks this is far more complicated than what kind of lug is used.
> Richard Rose (Toledo, Ohio)
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more
>
> _______________________________________________
>

--

Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash