In regards to the off topic stuff. I did make an attempt a year or so ago to "save" the bob list from spiraling out of control OT stuff. The list never took off, but it is still there. If any of you want a similar forum for talking guitars or whatnot, you can try the ibobrejectlist at:
To quote the list moderator (me): "My view is that the ibob list is for topics related to bikes and biking, the topics branch out from there and then return to bikes. This is the outlet for the topics that branch out and then keep going. "
Replace Ibob with CR and go for it.
As moderator I do not give a flying monkey's butt (red faced, assed, bikechasing, or otherwise) about the content as long as it is not porno or hate speech.
I am sure it will not work for CR people just as it failed utterly for the bob crowd, but there it is.
I think the way it would work best is as follows: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibobreject/message/8
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