Re: [CR]Re: Japanese Components


Example: Framebuilders:Alberto Masi

From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Thomas R. Adams, Jr." <kctommy@msn.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <BAY4-F18sr0f9fsOhX100044350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Japanese Components
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:10:16 -0500


I'm doing this from memory. I bought Shimano derailleurs to replace the Simplex Prestige on my 1972 Peugeot U0-8 about a year after I bought it new. I'm pretty sure I looked at the Crane, but the Titlist was an identical design and cheaper. It may have had more steel as you say. The one I bought was a short cage, but I think the differences between Titlist and Crane were the same for the GS models. If the Crane did have more alloy and lower weight, it would have made sense for Schwinn to use it on the Paramount. But even the Titlist would have been an immense inprovement on the Gran Turisimo boat anchor, both in weight and performance. Amazing that Campy for decades could not figure out how to make decent touring equipment or lower cost racing stuff. Their stuff was either top of the line or crap. The original Rally was Campy's first good touring derailleur and it wasn't until Victory/Triomphe in the C-Record era that Campy made a good lower cost gruppo. Campy seems to have learned the lesson form the Japanese about covering the entire market price range, as today's Veloce and Mirage (or whatever names they are called this year) are functionally almost identical to Record, give or take one gear on the cassette.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Houston, TX


----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas R. Adams, Jr."
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Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Japanese Components



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> In at least one example (the one I own) the Titleist was one step down from the Crane GS/Schwinnn approved Le Tour in quality of materials as well as finish.. Although superficially identical, the Titlest has more steel parts than the Le Tour, most noticably the pully arms . Obviously the Titleist is heavier, but I haven't detected any difference in shifting performance. I just happened to have a Titleist and a Le Tour handy as I was reordering the parts box this weekend.
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> Tom Adams, Shrewsbury NJ
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> >To: "David Novoselsky"
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> >Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:20:48 -0500
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> >It is a bit difficult to tell. I think the Titlist at that time was almost
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> >Approved" long cage derailleur on the Paramount looked more like a Titlist
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> >From: "David Novoselsky"
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> >Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:56 PM
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> >Jerry: Correct me if I am wrong on this, but I believe the Gran Trashmo on
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> >the Schwinn Paramount was replaced in 73 by a rebadged ("Schwinn Le Tour")
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> >Shimano Crane, not a Titlest? Dave Novoselsky, Chicago Illinois (who is
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> >looking at what is clearly a rebadged Crane on the back of his 73 Paramount
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> >as he types this.)