Greg thanks for the knowledge. I'm still a bit confused though. I always
hear from so many people that more touring geometries, with slacker angles,
greater fork rake and longer chainstays (as exemplified in the picture of a
blue Olmo at http://www.classicrendezvous.com/
> [Original Message]
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> Date: 9/18/2003 9:50:03 PM
> Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 9, Issue 55
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. WTB: Campy seat binder bolt (Byron Morton)
> 2. Re: WTB: Campy seat binder bolt (Peter Jon White)
> 3. Re: Treating fine finishes on old bikes. (Eric Elman)
> 4. RE: Century Type Rides (Paolo Ambrogio)
> 5. Teledyne Titan (Paul Haussler)
> 6. Removing the label from an American Classic Seatpost (jerrymoos)
> 7. Re: C+ source in Northwest (Charles T. Young)
> 8. historical pedals website... (HM & SS Sachs)
> 9. Re: Teledyne Titan (jerrymoos)
> 10. Re: C+ source in Northwest (jerrymoos)
> 11. FW: [CR]Teledyne Titan (nick)
> 12. fearless leader (Grant McLean)
> 13. Re: historical pedals website... question!? (Paul Williams)
> 14. Re: Teledyne Titan - seeking Barry Harvey former Teledyne
> Engineer (Steve Neago)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:53:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Byron Morton <koga_miyata2002@yahoo.com>
> To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]WTB: Campy seat binder bolt
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> Greetings all, I'm looking for a Campagnolo seat binder bolt,
approximately 20mm long. I'm looking for one with the tiny serrations where
it anchors into the frame (as opposed to the one with the single tab that
fits a notch on the seat lug). Maybe they are all like this - all I have is
Sugino. It doesn't have to be NOS, but I need one without rust. Please
reply off list. Many thanks,
> Byron Morton
> Nashville, TN
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:58:47 -0400
> From: "Peter Jon White" <lists@PeterWhiteCycles.com>
> To: "Byron Morton" <koga_miyata2002@yahoo.com>,
> "classic rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]WTB: Campy seat binder bolt
> Message-ID: <040901c37e40$cd18b0e0$6401a8c0@office>
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> I don't believe Campy ever made a notched style bolt like the Sugino. The
> bolt you describe is still being made by Campy and should be available
> through any bike shop. I keep several in stock, as even though very few if
> any bikes are built these days to take them, they break easily. I expect
> Campy will be making them for quite some time.
>
>
> Peter Jon White
> Peter White Cycles
> 24 Hall Rd.
> Hillsborough, NH 03244
> 603 478 0900 Phone
> 603 478 0902 Phax
> http://www.PeterWhiteCycles.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Byron Morton" <koga_miyata2002@yahoo.com>
> To: "classic rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:53 PM
> Subject: [CR]WTB: Campy seat binder bolt
>
>
> > Greetings all, I'm looking for a Campagnolo seat binder bolt,
> approximately 20mm long. I'm looking for one with the tiny serrations
where
> it anchors into the frame (as opposed to the one with the single tab that
> fits a notch on the seat lug). Maybe they are all like this - all I have
is
> Sugino. It doesn't have to be NOS, but I need one without rust. Please
reply
> off list. Many thanks,
> > Byron Morton
> > Nashville, TN
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
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> > _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:14:48 -0400
> From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@cox.net>
> To: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Treating fine finishes on old bikes.
> Message-ID: <009701c37e43$09b5e4d0$13dd0944@elman1>
> References: <20030918193728.57706.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com>
> <006a01c37e25$1bf92b70$6600a8c0@TOSHIBAS254>
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>
> I too vote strongly in favor of nail polish for all the reasons pointed
out
> by Pete. I'd add though that you are not limited to mostly reds. Go to
any
> drug store and you will find an enormous variety of colors and have a
pretty
> good chance of finding a match to any bike. I always bring my fork into
the
> store with me, get lot's of strange looks, then proceed to find the right
> color. If the first store dosn't have a good match go on to a different
> store (not CVS to another CVS; but from a CVS to Rite-Aid, etc.).
>
> Good luck,
>
> Eric Elman
> Somers, CT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete Rutledge" <prutledge1@comcast.net>
> To: "Neill Currie" <neill1234@yahoo.com>; "classicrendezvous"
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Treating fine finishes on old bikes.
>
>
> > Neill,
> >
> > I hope no one thinks too badly of me for this advice, but if the bike
> > happens to be some shade of red, I would consider nail polish. I've
used
> it
> > on my bikes. There are a large number of shades (mostly variations of
> red)
> > of nail polish available, it's cheap and readily available, and the
> bottles
> > even come with their own brushes! Can't beat that. And it does no
> harm--it
> > will cover the chips, maybe help prevent further rusting, and it's
> > reasonably durable, but if you ever want to remove it, it's simple to do
> > with nail polish remover, and without damaging the surrounding paint.
If
> > it's a color other than red, you might consider the brush-on bottles of
> > automotive touch-up paint, available in most auto parts stores in a
large
> > variety of colors. But of course it doesn't have the advantages of nail
> > polish.
> >
> > Pete Rutledge
> > Woodbridge, VA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Neill Currie" <neill1234@yahoo.com>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:37 PM
> > Subject: [CR]Treating fine finishes on old bikes.
> >
> >
> > > Hi
> > > Well, I guess those psychology courses finally
> > > paid off today ;-) I hit on the correct
> > > combination of incentives to pry a Urago
> > > frameset(Yes Jeeves, it does have the spades on
> > > the sides of the fork crown ), my size and in
> > > nice condition, out of the hands of my boss!
> > > So, I was down in the basement, cleaning the
> > > paint and chrome of dirt, grease etc, wondering
> > > what other people recommend to treat a few small
> > > paint blemishes that are starting to rust. Also,
> > > a couple of small chrome blemishes that are also
> > > starting to rust.
> > > I am aware that there may be a variety of answer
> > > out there: "Respray and rechrome" to "do nothing,
> > > maybe paste wax"......and I will just have to
> > > distill the wisdom of the list, then "do the
> > > right thing".
> > > Let me say too, that the frameset _could_ be made
> > > pretty close to immaculate with the correct
> > > touch-up paint, and I was thinking Naval Jelly to
> > > kill the chrome rust, followed by clear nail
> > > polish.
> > >
> > > Neill "still sweating in anticipation" Currie
> > > Portland, Me.
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Neill Currie, Portland, Me 04102, USA.
> > > ------------
> > > I usually have classic bicycle components for sale at good prices.
> Please
> > email me for a current list. A reasonably current list may be seen here:
> > > http://www.geocities.com/
> > > ------------
> > > The Mountain Goat website is at:
> > > http://www.geocities.com/
> > > ------------
> > >
> > > __________________________________
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> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:29:35 -0700
> From: "Paolo Ambrogio" <pambrogio@donbarany.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]RE: Century Type Rides
> Message-ID: <D7A22790F21DDA46BB5246D7601F96265755@server.donbarany.com>
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>
> Jeremy,
>
> Earlier this year I did the Solvang Century on a '85 Pinarello Montello.
> Comfort depends mostly on tires and saddle. I did the ride on
> Continental GP 3000 that I found harsh. Vredestein and Veloflex ride
> better, both are available in period correct gum - black. Tubulars I've
> not tried but are said to be lighter & even better riding. =20
>
> Compared to a 20sp modern bike there is the challenge of finding
> comparable gearing. For that ride I assembled a 6 sp Regina Corsa in a
> 12-27 in anticipation of the 'wall'. With a 42T chain ring that FW gets
> you close to a modern 39-25.
>
> Compared to a aero wheel modern aluminum frame the old frame are likely
> more comfortable.
>
> Paolo sant'ambrogio
> Santa Monica, ca
> '85 pinarello montello
> '03 mondonico foco
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:34:30 -0700
> From: "Paul Haussler" <paulhaussler@earthlink.net>
> To: <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> Cc: framebuilders@phred.org
> Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Teledyne Titan
> Message-ID: <001801c37e45$cb3caba0$d780b3d1@q>
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> Message: 5
>
> I remember the Teledyne Titan frames from the 1975-76 era. They were
really
> cool - the ultimate frame. Except for the price. I think a frame and
fork
> went for $495.00 A complete Peugeot PX10 cost $300.00
>
> The other thing I've heard is that all Teledyne Titan frames broke. None
of
> them in the same place. There are a few still being ridden and some of
them
> have been repaired multiple times (kinda scary).
>
> I have no idea if the 6-4 alloy is compatible with the commercially pure
> titanium used in the Titan. Perhaps Barry Harvey would know. He was the
> consultant to Teledyne who helped with design of the bike. I have no idea
> where he is, unfortunately.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Paul Haussler
> Huntington Beach, CA
> 1988 Trek 2300 (not destined to be a classic, but it is fun to ride)
> 1992 Dave Moulton Fuso Luxe (always a classic)
> 1997 Santana Arriva (the ride of my life)
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:36:11 -0400
> From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> To: <framebuilders@phred.org>
> Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Rise of the Titan... TI Vintage frame question - heat
annealing
> Message-ID: <000f01c37e1c$1db52260$cbb71b18@cinci.rr.com>
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>
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to resurrect a vintage 1975 Teledyne Titan that has a =
> cracked derailleur dropout. I have fabricated a replacement derailleur =
> dropout from TI 6-4 alloy that is an exact match for the original and =
> "beefed up" in thickness to discourage future cracking. Many thanks to =
> the local vocational school for TI milling the AutoCAD pattern that I =
> created from the OEM blueprints!
>
> I know that after a TI frame is constructed or repaired, the frame has =
> to be annealed or "heat treated" to strengthen the metal and joints. My =
> questions are this:=20
>
> 1.) Does anyone know if Teledyne coated their frames a gray color =
> first and *then* annealed them? (This would save having to heat treat =
> once for the metal and then a second time to cure the paint at a lower =
> temp.)=20
> 2.) What temp is required to anneal TI 6-4 metal? I am wondering if =
> the existing coating currently on the frameset will be baked off in the =
> annealing process required to treat the metal...
> 3.) Is a special paint required to paint over 1975 commercial pure =
> TI metal?
>
> This message has been posted to both the ClassicRendezvous and the =
> FrameBuilders forums.
>
> Regards, Steve Neago
> Cincinnati, OH
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:41:45 -0500
> From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Removing the label from an American Classic Seatpost
> Message-ID: <063201c425a7$17c1cec0$efddfea9@mooshome>
> References: <BB8F96FC.1CE39%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
> I've bought some American Classic seatposts, after a discussion here a
> couple of week ago. These look identical to the old Weyless posts when
the
> American Classics logo is removed. It was mentioned that this is very
easy
> to do. Can anyone advise the best wat to remove the logo with damaging
the
> seatpost?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:43:29 -0400
> From: "Charles T. Young" <youngc@netreach.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]C+ source in Northwest
> Message-ID: <002401c37e47$0bde9460$34645cd1@youngc>
> References: <20030918211158.24597.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Barnes and Noble has started to stock them here in the Mid-atlantic.
Borders
> dropped it a while ago.
>
> Charlie Young
> Honeybrook, PA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Feldman" <feldmanbike@yahoo.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:11 PM
> Subject: [CR]C+ source in Northwest
>
>
> > For any listmembers who live near or in Portland, OR,
> > the Tigard Borders bookstore stocks Cycling Plus.
> > Last night was the third time this year I've found it
> > there.
> > None of the independent bookstores (Powell's, Rich's)
> > and in fact no other Borders store in the area stocks
> > it. Best wishes to all listmembers in the path of
> > Isabel!
> > David Feldman
> > Vancouver, WA
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
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> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:40:36 -0400
> From: HM & SS Sachs <sachs@erols.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]historical pedals website...
> Message-ID: <3F6A5084.3020600@erols.com>
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>
> I tried senging this a few days ago, and it seems to have bounced. In
any event, my friend Neal Elliott sent me this URL:
> http://www.speedplay.com/
> It shows turn-of-the-(twentieth)-century clipless pedals, among other
delicacies,
> so is clearly on-topic in large part. Be careful if you have a foot-gear
(pedal) fetish...
>
> Enjoy at your own risk!
> harvey sachs
> mcLean VA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:46:33 -0500
> From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Paul Haussler" <paulhaussler@earthlink.net>,
> <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> Cc: framebuilders@phred.org
> Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Teledyne Titan
> Message-ID: <064301c425a7$c3bc24f0$efddfea9@mooshome>
> References: <001801c37e45$cb3caba0$d780b3d1@q>
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>
> I have an unbroken and unrepaired Teledyne. I think the failure rate is
> exaggerated, though quite a few did fail. Of course I also ride a Lambert
> with the original "Death Fork".
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Haussler" <paulhaussler@earthlink.net>
> To: <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> Cc: <framebuilders@phred.org>; "classicrendezvous"
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:34 PM
> Subject: [CR]Teledyne Titan
>
>
> > I remember the Teledyne Titan frames from the 1975-76 era. They were
> really
> > cool - the ultimate frame. Except for the price. I think a frame and
> fork
> > went for $495.00 A complete Peugeot PX10 cost $300.00
> >
> > The other thing I've heard is that all Teledyne Titan frames broke.
None
> of
> > them in the same place. There are a few still being ridden and some of
> them
> > have been repaired multiple times (kinda scary).
> >
> > I have no idea if the 6-4 alloy is compatible with the commercially pure
> > titanium used in the Titan. Perhaps Barry Harvey would know. He was
the
> > consultant to Teledyne who helped with design of the bike. I have no
idea
> > where he is, unfortunately.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Paul Haussler
> > Huntington Beach, CA
> > 1988 Trek 2300 (not destined to be a classic, but it is fun to ride)
> > 1992 Dave Moulton Fuso Luxe (always a classic)
> > 1997 Santana Arriva (the ride of my life)
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:36:11 -0400
> > From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> > To: <framebuilders@phred.org>
> > Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: [CR]Rise of the Titan... TI Vintage frame question - heat
> annealing
> > Message-ID: <000f01c37e1c$1db52260$cbb71b18@cinci.rr.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252"
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > Precedence: list
> > Message: 3
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to resurrect a vintage 1975 Teledyne Titan that has a =
> > cracked derailleur dropout. I have fabricated a replacement derailleur
=
> > dropout from TI 6-4 alloy that is an exact match for the original and =
> > "beefed up" in thickness to discourage future cracking. Many thanks to
=
> > the local vocational school for TI milling the AutoCAD pattern that I =
> > created from the OEM blueprints!
> >
> > I know that after a TI frame is constructed or repaired, the frame has =
> > to be annealed or "heat treated" to strengthen the metal and joints.
My =
> > questions are this:=20
> >
> > 1.) Does anyone know if Teledyne coated their frames a gray color =
> > first and *then* annealed them? (This would save having to heat treat =
> > once for the metal and then a second time to cure the paint at a lower =
> > temp.)=20
> > 2.) What temp is required to anneal TI 6-4 metal? I am wondering
if =
> > the existing coating currently on the frameset will be baked off in the
=
> > annealing process required to treat the metal...
> > 3.) Is a special paint required to paint over 1975 commercial pure =
> > TI metal?
> >
> > This message has been posted to both the ClassicRendezvous and the =
> > FrameBuilders forums.
> >
> > Regards, Steve Neago
> > Cincinnati, OH
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:51:58 -0500
> From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Charles T. Young" <youngc@netreach.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]C+ source in Northwest
> Message-ID: <064e01c425a8$850cab70$efddfea9@mooshome>
> References: <20030918211158.24597.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>
> <002401c37e47$0bde9460$34645cd1@youngc>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
> Of course you can subscribe. They will gladly mail a subscription the the
> US. I am a bit annoyed at them, though. I was going to renew early to
get
> a Cycling Plus jersey they were giving with a subscription. But they
> refused to give it to me, saying the offer was only for UK subscriptions.
> Ah, we poor Americans are so persecuted :-(
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles T. Young" <youngc@netreach.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]C+ source in Northwest
>
>
> > Barnes and Noble has started to stock them here in the Mid-atlantic.
> Borders
> > dropped it a while ago.
> >
> > Charlie Young
> > Honeybrook, PA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Feldman" <feldmanbike@yahoo.com>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:11 PM
> > Subject: [CR]C+ source in Northwest
> >
> >
> > > For any listmembers who live near or in Portland, OR,
> > > the Tigard Borders bookstore stocks Cycling Plus.
> > > Last night was the third time this year I've found it
> > > there.
> > > None of the independent bookstores (Powell's, Rich's)
> > > and in fact no other Borders store in the area stocks
> > > it. Best wishes to all listmembers in the path of
> > > Isabel!
> > > David Feldman
> > > Vancouver, WA
> > >
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
> > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:57:04 -0400
> From: "nick" <nickzz@mindspring.com>
> To: "CR List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: FW: [CR]Teledyne Titan
> Message-ID: <003601c37e48$f1e8b250$158d56d1@npjtraining.local>
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>
> BTW Hilary Stone did a nice article on the Teledyne in the September 03
> issue of Cycling Plus.
>
> Nick Zatezalo
> Atlanta,Ga
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of jerrymoos
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:47 PM
> To: Paul Haussler; questor@cinci.rr.com
> Cc: framebuilders@phred.org; classicrendezvous
> Subject: Re: [CR]Teledyne Titan
>
> I have an unbroken and unrepaired Teledyne. I think the failure rate is
> exaggerated, though quite a few did fail. Of course I also ride a
> Lambert
> with the original "Death Fork".
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Haussler" <paulhaussler@earthlink.net>
> To: <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> Cc: <framebuilders@phred.org>; "classicrendezvous"
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:34 PM
> Subject: [CR]Teledyne Titan
>
>
> > I remember the Teledyne Titan frames from the 1975-76 era. They were
> really
> > cool - the ultimate frame. Except for the price. I think a frame and
> fork
> > went for $495.00 A complete Peugeot PX10 cost $300.00
> >
> > The other thing I've heard is that all Teledyne Titan frames broke.
> None
> of
> > them in the same place. There are a few still being ridden and some
> of
> them
> > have been repaired multiple times (kinda scary).
> >
> > I have no idea if the 6-4 alloy is compatible with the commercially
> pure
> > titanium used in the Titan. Perhaps Barry Harvey would know. He was
> the
> > consultant to Teledyne who helped with design of the bike. I have no
> idea
> > where he is, unfortunately.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Paul Haussler
> > Huntington Beach, CA
> > 1988 Trek 2300 (not destined to be a classic, but it is fun to ride)
> > 1992 Dave Moulton Fuso Luxe (always a classic)
> > 1997 Santana Arriva (the ride of my life)
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:36:11 -0400
> > From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> > To: <framebuilders@phred.org>
> > Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: [CR]Rise of the Titan... TI Vintage frame question - heat
> annealing
> > Message-ID: <000f01c37e1c$1db52260$cbb71b18@cinci.rr.com>
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> > Message: 3
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to resurrect a vintage 1975 Teledyne Titan that has a =
> > cracked derailleur dropout. I have fabricated a replacement
> derailleur =
> > dropout from TI 6-4 alloy that is an exact match for the original and
> =
> > "beefed up" in thickness to discourage future cracking. Many thanks
> to =
> > the local vocational school for TI milling the AutoCAD pattern that I
> =
> > created from the OEM blueprints!
> >
> > I know that after a TI frame is constructed or repaired, the frame has
> =
> > to be annealed or "heat treated" to strengthen the metal and joints.
> My =
> > questions are this:=20
> >
> > 1.) Does anyone know if Teledyne coated their frames a gray color
> =
> > first and *then* annealed them? (This would save having to heat treat
> =
> > once for the metal and then a second time to cure the paint at a lower
> =
> > temp.)=20
> > 2.) What temp is required to anneal TI 6-4 metal? I am wondering
> if =
> > the existing coating currently on the frameset will be baked off in
> the =
> > annealing process required to treat the metal...
> > 3.) Is a special paint required to paint over 1975 commercial pure
> =
> > TI metal?
> >
> > This message has been posted to both the ClassicRendezvous and the =
> > FrameBuilders forums.
> >
> > Regards, Steve Neago
> > Cincinnati, OH
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:06:03 -0400
> From: Grant McLean <Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous Mail List (E-mail)"
<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]fearless leader
> Message-ID: <D40031E5F7ACD71195BC009027887CFF11865C@SLSERVER>
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> Message: 12
>
> Dale,
>
> I hope you're not under your desk,
> (or at least in a dry basement!)
>
> I just checked weather.com and it
> looks like Greensboro is getting the
> worst of it right now.
>
>
> Grant McLean
> Toronto.Ca
> it's headed this way...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's hoping that our fearless leader and all his folks are safe and
> okay in the midst of the east coast storm.
>
>
> Michael Murphy
> Paige, Texas
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:17:19 -0400
> From: "Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca>
> To: "HM & SS Sachs" <sachs@erols.com>
> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]historical pedals website... question!?
> Message-ID: <00b801c37e4b$c8865680$4df1fea9@queensu.ca>
> References: <3F6A5084.3020600@erols.com>
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> Message: 13
>
> Harvey,
>
> Great resource - thanks!
>
> General question to the list:
>
> I was intrigued by the Gipiemme 1970s aerodynamic pedal - are these still
to
> be found?
>
> Paul Williams,
> Ottawa, ON, Canada.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "HM & SS Sachs" <sachs@erols.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 8:40 PM
> Subject: [CR]historical pedals website...
>
>
> > I tried senging this a few days ago, and it seems to have bounced. In
any
> event, my friend Neal Elliott sent me this URL:
> > http://www.speedplay.com/
> > It shows turn-of-the-(twentieth)-century clipless pedals, among other
> delicacies,
> > so is clearly on-topic in large part. Be careful if you have a foot-gear
> (pedal) fetish...
> >
> > Enjoy at your own risk!
> > harvey sachs
> > mcLean VA
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:43:37 -0400
> From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> To: "Paul Haussler" <paulhaussler@earthlink.net>
> Cc: framebuilders@phred.org
> Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Re: Teledyne Titan - seeking Barry Harvey former Teledyne
> Engineer
> Message-ID: <003301c37e4f$7214fc80$cbb71b18@cinci.rr.com>
> References: <001801c37e45$cb3caba0$d780b3d1@q>
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>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Yes, it is recommended that the Teledyne "suicide fork" be replaced with a
> good steel fork, even though many still ride on it. I have a nice looking
> sloping crown fork ready for this Titan frameset.
>
> Yes TI 6-4 alloy and commercial pure TI can be welded together under a
very
> high temp torch.
>
> Does anyone know how I can reach Barry Harvey who worked at Teledyne?
>
> Regards, Steve Neago
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Haussler" <paulhaussler@earthlink.net>
> To: <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> Cc: <framebuilders@phred.org>; "classicrendezvous"
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 8:34 PM
> Subject: Teledyne Titan
>
>
> > I remember the Teledyne Titan frames from the 1975-76 era. They were
> really
> > cool - the ultimate frame. Except for the price. I think a frame and
> fork
> > went for $495.00 A complete Peugeot PX10 cost $300.00
> >
> > The other thing I've heard is that all Teledyne Titan frames broke.
None
> of
> > them in the same place. There are a few still being ridden and some of
> them
> > have been repaired multiple times (kinda scary).
> >
> > I have no idea if the 6-4 alloy is compatible with the commercially pure
> > titanium used in the Titan. Perhaps Barry Harvey would know. He was
the
> > consultant to Teledyne who helped with design of the bike. I have no
idea
> > where he is, unfortunately.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Paul Haussler
> > Huntington Beach, CA
> > 1988 Trek 2300 (not destined to be a classic, but it is fun to ride)
> > 1992 Dave Moulton Fuso Luxe (always a classic)
> > 1997 Santana Arriva (the ride of my life)
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:36:11 -0400
> > From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> > To: <framebuilders@phred.org>
> > Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: [CR]Rise of the Titan... TI Vintage frame question - heat
> annealing
> > Message-ID: <000f01c37e1c$1db52260$cbb71b18@cinci.rr.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252"
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > Precedence: list
> > Message: 3
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to resurrect a vintage 1975 Teledyne Titan that has a =
> > cracked derailleur dropout. I have fabricated a replacement derailleur
=
> > dropout from TI 6-4 alloy that is an exact match for the original and =
> > "beefed up" in thickness to discourage future cracking. Many thanks to
=
> > the local vocational school for TI milling the AutoCAD pattern that I =
> > created from the OEM blueprints!
> >
> > I know that after a TI frame is constructed or repaired, the frame has =
> > to be annealed or "heat treated" to strengthen the metal and joints.
My =
> > questions are this:=20
> >
> > 1.) Does anyone know if Teledyne coated their frames a gray color =
> > first and *then* annealed them? (This would save having to heat treat =
> > once for the metal and then a second time to cure the paint at a lower =
> > temp.)=20
> > 2.) What temp is required to anneal TI 6-4 metal? I am wondering
if =
> > the existing coating currently on the frameset will be baked off in the
=
> > annealing process required to treat the metal...
> > 3.) Is a special paint required to paint over 1975 commercial pure =
> > TI metal?
> >
> > This message has been posted to both the ClassicRendezvous and the =
> > FrameBuilders forums.
> >
> > Regards, Steve Neago
> > Cincinnati, OH
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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