CR List, Dale, friends:
To me, this is a case of praise in public, punish in private. I find this public bashing to be very uncool and unwise.
Keep it off the list...my vote.
Guy Apple Sunnyvale, CA
-----Original Message----- From: OROBOYZ@aol.com Sent: Jan 16, 2004 3:30 PM To: boy@dc.rr.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] CyclArt and the general drift of this thread..
CR friends:
This thread puts a strain on my interpretation of the Classic Rendezvous rules and guidelines.. In this circumstance, and possibly others, if we state our grievances with a company or person who is a CR member, it creates an awkward situation and puts us outside the positive atmosphere I want for this list.
In this case, with Jim Cunningham, Mike Tatum and their friends and customers being members of the CR list, it seems inappropriate to drag all this in front of the whole list. Again, I apply my old "friends hanging out in the garage" scenario.. If a person, standing around with us in the old garage, loudly voices a gripe against another person standing there, it will be uncomfortable for all observers and eventually those two parties would be asked to "take it outside." It definitely seems out of place or impolite to bring up serious issues standing there amongst friends. That is best done in private...
It would be tempting for the CR to be the place where we complain or warn others about our unhappy dealings. Certainly that happens (to some member's chagrin) here on the CR list with eBay transactions. But in those cases usually the offending seller, whether blowing hot air or slow to ship, etc., is not a CR list member. Somehow that makes a difference on the politeness scales..
Of course, the other side of the coin is the fact that all businesses live in glass houses and have to be prepared to face the music when customers are dissatisfied. But, the CR list, between and among its members, is not the best place to air our dirty linen...
This all hits close to home because even (!) cycles de ORO (me in other words) has recently had some "challenges" in our delivery of frame paint & restoration work. In other words, a few projects have been not-up-to-snuff or extremely late.... We are working on those shortcomings but I would hate to see all that dragged out and debated here on the CR.
So what do you say gang? Can we all go forward with the idea that we don't batter fellow list members? Even if you think they really deserve it (and they might!) it would just plain uncool to bust their chops here in this garage.
Thanks, Dale
Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina <A HREF="http://www.classicrendezvous.com./main.htm">ClassicRendezvous.com</A>