[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 15, Issue 70

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From: Mark Stevens <mountgerald@btopenworld.com>
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:46:12 -0000
Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 15, Issue 70

Dear Mick, I have a soft spot for Holdsworths and have 5 here, one complete bike circa 1960 which is in all orig condition. I paid 100pounds for it 5 years ago. It had a Magistroni headset and a pair of Constrictor ASP platform pedals.
   Re your Dad's, If it was mine I would want at least 100 for it. Hope this helps. Mark


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> 1. Looking to trade
> 2. Question about Campy GS BB axles
> 3. Re: Help: approx. current value of new Simplex Super LJ rear
> der? (Mark J. Encarnacion)
> 4. Re: was "33". now "confente". (Chuck Schmidt)
> 5. Re: was "33". now "confente". (Richard M Sachs)
> 6. Re: was "33". now "confente". (Chuck Schmidt)
> 7. Re: was "33". now "confente".
> 8. Now: Conundrum Was: "confente". (Chuck Schmidt)
> 9. Peugeot Ponderings (P.C. Kohler)
> 10. WTB: Shortie fenders (r cielec)
> 11. Coppi and Gimondi Photot Gallery at Bianchi.com (Angel M Garcia)
> 12. Cadieux Cafe outing on March 21st (Tom Sanders)
> 13. Re: OT Paramount help needed (ASAP) (krawls)
> 14. Help on Holdsworth Valuation (Mick Butler)
> 15. CR: ISO Scott Ramsey (Peter Koskinen)
> 16. Re: Peugeot Ponderings (jerrymoos)
> 17. Re: WTB: Shortie fenders (jerrymoos)
> 18. RE: Racing hubs of the 20s/30s (sam Lingo)
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> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:13:42 EST
> From: Marcgarcia80@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Looking to trade
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> Anyone have a fuji branded suntour front deraileur? I am also looking for a
> decent set of shimano 600 "araby" deraileurs. Also a set of campy nuovo record
> deraileurs from the 70's. Let me know what you need. I also have a nice
> Gitane Interclub from the seventies to offer. It's basically a lower level clone of
> the tour de france. Paint is good, foil decals are nearly all intact.
> Cotterless crank, simplex prestige, mafac brakes and levers with half hoods. its all
> there except for the wheels and handlebar tape.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:16:57 EST
> From: Bikerdaver@aol.com
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Question about Campy GS BB axles
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> I have what I thought was an ordinary Campy GS BB. I thought I was familar
> with this model going back to the early 1960s to whenever they ended production
> in mid-80s.
> The axle itself, I thought, has always been a solid one peice affair with a
> published length of 115mm+/-. However, I have what I was sure is a GS axle that
> is hollow just like a NR/Record/C-record/chorus.
> The length also makes me think to rule out Triomphe/Victory/Athena/etc.
> It is still black colored like I always thought them to be and it also has the
> "winged wheel" logo as found on GS components.
> All the catalogs that I have read containing GS info do not seem to
> indicate that GS BB axles were hollow. Does some one have a later 80s catalog that
> describes a hollow GS axle? [sorry for being out of the CR time line with that
> question] and if so, is there a date in which this change took place?
> In any event, it seems to be totally up with fine milling and workmanship
> that we have all known and come to love/covet/etc. Any help would be most
> appreciated. cheers-
> Dave Anderson
> Cut Bank MT
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:30:38 -0800
> From: "Mark J. Encarnacion" <markenki@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Help: approx. current value of new Simplex Super LJ rear
> der?
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>
> A few months ago, Bicycle Classics (still under Alan) had the Simplex SLJ
> 5500 for $95 (or was it $99?), but they're sold out. Also a few months ago,
> I bought one from a list member for $110 shipped. I think I remember seeing
> one sell on eBay recently for around $125. Renaissance Cycles has
> Gipiemme-badged ones for $119. (By the way, BC's new Search feature on the
> RC site is great! But it almost takes the fun out of hunting down the part
> you need on the site. :-))
>
> I hope those data points help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Encarnación
> Bellevue, WA
>
> --
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> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:43:01 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]was "33". now "confente".
> Message-ID: <4054C3CC.69E5A8A7@earthlink.net>
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> brianbaylis@juno.com wrote:
> >
> > (cut) I feel these bikes belong in the possession of those who really appreciate them, not those who buy into the small number produced and convert that into dollars and cents. They are still frames of only a certain caliber, they are not frames that fell from heaven or some such thing.
>
>
> Perfectly stated Brian! Mario made nice bikes... no more, no less.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:55:37 -0500
> From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]was "33". now "confente".
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> chuck-issimo -
> i missed the first post.
> do you think bb was being judgemental about confente quality or
> about folks that appreciate these bicycles for more effete reasons,
> or both?
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
>
>
>
>
> Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> writes:
> brianbaylis@juno.com wrote:
> >
> > (cut) I feel these bikes belong in the possession of those who really
> appreciate them, not those who buy into the small number produced
> and convert that into dollars and cents. They are still frames of only a
> certain caliber, they are not frames that fell from heaven or some such
> thing.
>
>
> Perfectly stated Brian! Mario made nice bikes... no more, no less.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:08:44 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]was "33". now "confente".
> Message-ID: <4054C9D1.2CE116A@earthlink.net>
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> My take... personally (I won't speak for Brian B.)...
>
> Mario built a helluvabike. But so do/did others. He was not a God. I
> loved the guy and I cherish the frame he built for me.
>
> But for those on the list looking for "the best bike ever made"????
> Ride your bikes more; life's too short.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> Richard M Sachs wrote:
> >
> > chuck-issimo -
> > i missed the first post.
> > do you think bb was being judgemental about confente quality or
> > about folks that appreciate these bicycles for more effete reasons,
> > or both?
> > e-RICHIE
> > chester, ct
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> writes:
> > brianbaylis@juno.com wrote:
> > >
> > > (cut) I feel these bikes belong in the possession of those who really
> > appreciate them, not those who buy into the small number produced
> > and convert that into dollars and cents. They are still frames of only a
> > certain caliber, they are not frames that fell from heaven or some such
> > thing.
> >
> >
> > Perfectly stated Brian! Mario made nice bikes... no more, no less.
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:35:52 EST
> From: Wolfman231@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]was "33". now "confente".
> Message-ID: <1d6.1c3dad8f.2d862a38@aol.com>
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> In a message dated 3/14/04 4:09:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> chuckschmidt@earthlink.net writes:
> But for those on the list looking for "the best bike ever made"????
> Ride your bikes more; life's too short.
>
> Now that is perfectly stated! And don't forget to tell your wife and kids
> you love them before you go riding.
>
> Ed Kasper
> Detroit MI
>
> PS
> There are always going to be those who 'collect' for less than pure reasons.
> Status, ego, pride, profit, keeping up with the Schmidts <G>, whatever. You
> can usually spot a poser. But we are all motivated by different facets of
> collecting...riding, admiring, researching, tinkering, restoring, etc. I
> personally don't hold anyone in contempt for having different values than I do...
> Enough said...this could easily turn into a "War and Peace" type post. <G>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:46:04 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Now: Conundrum Was: "confente".
> Message-ID: <4054D28E.4F931CF@earthlink.net>
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> Wolfman231@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 3/14/04 4:09:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > chuckschmidt@earthlink.net writes:
> > But for those on the list looking for "the best bike ever made"????
> > Ride your bikes more; life's too short.
> >
> > Now that is perfectly stated! And don't forget to tell your wife and kids
> > you love them before you go riding.
> >
> > Ed Kasper
> > Detroit MI
> >
> > PS
> > There are always going to be those who 'collect' for less than pure reasons.
> > Status, ego, pride, profit, keeping up with the Schmidts <G>, whatever. You
> > can usually spot a poser. But we are all motivated by different facets of
> > collecting...riding, admiring, researching, tinkering, restoring, etc. I
> > personally don't hold anyone in contempt for having different values than I do...
> > Enough said...this could easily turn into a "War and Peace" type post. <G>
>
>
> Conundrum:
>
> Guys (term for both men and women) start riding a bike and pretty soon
> they're hooked (happens to only a small percent however). It takes over
> their lives and they decide that it would be even better if their
> work/job was bikes too, so they find a job in the bike "industry", and
> pretty soon they are no longer riding their bikes.
>
> Strange, huh?
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:48:24 -0500
> From: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@starpower.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Peugeot Ponderings
> Message-ID: <005a01c40a0e$151787a0$22e0fea9@man>
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> Having spent the weekend "bonding" with my new Peugeot PX-10E, a question
> for you Peugeotistes...
>
> Did the Peugeot Team during the glory years of the 1960s-70s actually ride
> "stock" PX-10s? The photos I've seen sure indicate they did. Or were they
> custom made by some famous frame builder? As one who puts far greater stock
> in excellence achieved en masse, I am hoping the answer is the former.
>
> Two days on my PX-10 and I must defer to all of you who swear by tubular
> tyres... just a wonderful ride. And I am using the sort of cheap ones you
> sneer at: Clements bought 3 for $50 at YellowJersey.com When I get my first
> flat, the bloom will be soon gone, but these are sweet!
>
> And compared to my Raleigh Comp GS, the PX-10 is lighter and faster but
> very comfortable. Amazing pick up. The Raleigh has the edge for handling (74
> vs 72 frame angles make beaucoup difference) and sheer joy to ride. A better
> hill climber too. Simplex vs. Campagnolo Gran Sport: no contest here, the
> Simplex shifts much easier, silent and much smoother. I had forgotten how
> 'orrible Mafac Racer brakes really are however.. eeeccch. But I wouldn't
> change them for the world... what would a French bike be without squeeling
> brakes? Sounds like a Caravelle landing with full reverse thrust.
>
> So like two proper classics, one is not better than the other, just
> different. Hence the absolute necessity to have an apartment crammed with
> all sorts of different bikes. As long as the ratio is 9:1 Britsh vs. French.
> Maybe there's room for one Italian....
>
> Peter Kohler
> Washington DC USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:01:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]WTB: Shortie fenders
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> Hell-o Listers:
> I don't know if the shorties are properly called "fenders" or "mudguards" but I am looking for a set or two. Can't these be made on one of those fender rolling machines the antique/ballon-tyre guys always seem to have?
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Cielec
> Chicago, Illinois
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:00:49 -0500
> From: "Angel M Garcia" <wa2vuy@mindspring.com>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Coppi and Gimondi Photot Gallery at Bianchi.com
> Message-ID: <016b01c40a0f$d0605d60$0000a398@DXROOM>
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> Not sure these were here before....at http://www.bianchi.com move cursor over
> BIANCHI and then you should see the choice for "The magic Celeste", click on
> that and you come to a page where you can click for a gallery of Coppi and
> Gimondi photos.
>
> Angel Garcia
> Long Valley, NJ
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:03:14 -0500
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Cadieux Cafe outing on March 21st
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>
> Folks, I have been asked by the Detroit Bicycle Mafia and it's esteemed =
> associates to announce a gathering of the clan and hopefully anybody =
> else who can come next Sunday, March 21st. We will be doing our usual =
> eating, bike talking, part swapping and have a couple of beers. Don't =
> worry if you don't like beer...I drink water myself. The food is great, =
> the conversation enlightening, and the values on bike parts awesome. We =
> may not have the left coast's weather, but we got the right folks to =
> have some fun. We usually get there about 1 PM.
> Our resident philosopher, Ed Kasper, has asked me to relay that they =
> have 22 ounce Rolling Rocks there for $3! Listen, is that the thunder =
> of famous bike maker's feet coming from Conn. that I hear?
> The Cafe is at 4300 Cadieux Rd. in Detroit, and I would be happy to =
> answer any questions from folks interested in attending. Usually a =
> couple of very interesting bikes there, too.
> Tom Sanders
> Lansing, Mi
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:11:18 -0800
> From: "krawls" <krawls@visuallink.com>
> To: <dvancleve@cox.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]OT Paramount help needed (ASAP)
> Message-ID: <00ba01c40a2a$6dea1ca0$7a5ae844@yourn3ty7athd5>
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> Hi Dave,
>
> That is not a Waterford Paramount.
> The Waterfords did not have internal brake routing
> and did not have a unicrown fork.
>
> Regards,
> Karen Rawls
> Windychester VA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dvancleve@cox.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 7:57 AM
> Subject: [CR]OT Paramount help needed (ASAP)
>
>
> > Howdy folks.
> >
> > Is this a Waterford Paramount: http://tinyurl.com/3yj2h (try full link
> below if this doesn't work)?
> >
> >
> http://ebay.com/<blah
> >
> >
> > I think it is based on the nice BB shell, but I am not certain I can tell
> a Panasonic (or whatever they were) from a Waterford and the Shimano 105
> seems low end for a Waterford.
> >
> > Thanks and apologies if this is too new (components are for sure).
> >
> > Doug Van Cleve
> > Chandler, AZ
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:16:35 +0000
> From: "Mick Butler" <pariscyclesuk@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR] Help on Holdsworth Valuation
> Message-ID: <BAY16-F83trSByh133t00008732@hotmail.com>
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>
> Can anyone help I have a gorgeous un-restored Holdsworthy road frame. This
> is a 1951 frame with the very rare Clement ends for Simplex gears. Most
> surviving frames with these unusual type of ends have had the hanger cut
> off! Very light. Lovely brass Holdsworthy headbadge and typical early 50's
> pump pegs fitted on the slant down the seat tube. Simple lugs probably early
> Nervex with small window cutouts and pencil stays. Frame looks sad but is
> sound and free from dents and dings. This will definitely restore as well as
> Mac Montgomery's Cyclone which was previously owned by me. I have a correct
> set of new transfer's to go with it.
> Would greatly appreciate your help as I would like to know its true value
> for swapping or selling. Have just made the mistake of selling one of my
> Dad's pumps for a tenner, this was later resold for £75. He will kill me if
> I foul up again with his prize frame!
>
>
> Best wishes and be lucky. Michael Butler Huntingdon UK.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:19:50 -0500
> From: "Peter Koskinen" <peter@prkbikes.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]CR: ISO Scott Ramsey
> Message-ID: <20040314221948.XXMP13717.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@gateway>
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> Scott,
>
>
>
> Please email me with an address that won't get bounced back and I'll send
> you pics of the Eddy Merckx that I am selling.
>
>
>
> Peter Koskinen
>
> Chapel Hill, NC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:27:13 -0600
> From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@starpower.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Peugeot Ponderings
> Message-ID: <003c01c40a13$804cf500$efddfea9@mooshome>
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> <005a01c40a0e$151787a0$22e0fea9@man>
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> I believe that the Peugeot team actually rode PX-10s and later PY-10s.
> Supposedly King Eddy was the exception, having his frames made by Ugo Derosa
> during his short stay at Peugeot - at least that is the popular story. At
> the 1974 World Championships in Monteal, spectators were allowed to mingle
> with the mechanics and machines in the pits before the race. I was close
> enough to Thevenet's PY-10 to have touched it, and it sure looked like a
> stock PY-10 to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@starpower.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 3:48 PM
> Subject: [CR]Peugeot Ponderings
>
>
> > Having spent the weekend "bonding" with my new Peugeot PX-10E, a question
> > for you Peugeotistes...
> >
> > Did the Peugeot Team during the glory years of the 1960s-70s actually ride
> > "stock" PX-10s? The photos I've seen sure indicate they did. Or were they
> > custom made by some famous frame builder? As one who puts far greater
> stock
> > in excellence achieved en masse, I am hoping the answer is the former.
> >
> > Two days on my PX-10 and I must defer to all of you who swear by tubular
> > tyres... just a wonderful ride. And I am using the sort of cheap ones you
> > sneer at: Clements bought 3 for $50 at YellowJersey.com When I get my
> first
> > flat, the bloom will be soon gone, but these are sweet!
> >
> > And compared to my Raleigh Comp GS, the PX-10 is lighter and faster but
> > very comfortable. Amazing pick up. The Raleigh has the edge for handling
> (74
> > vs 72 frame angles make beaucoup difference) and sheer joy to ride. A
> better
> > hill climber too. Simplex vs. Campagnolo Gran Sport: no contest here, the
> > Simplex shifts much easier, silent and much smoother. I had forgotten how
> > 'orrible Mafac Racer brakes really are however.. eeeccch. But I wouldn't
> > change them for the world... what would a French bike be without squeeling
> > brakes? Sounds like a Caravelle landing with full reverse thrust.
> >
> > So like two proper classics, one is not better than the other, just
> > different. Hence the absolute necessity to have an apartment crammed with
> > all sorts of different bikes. As long as the ratio is 9:1 Britsh vs.
> French.
> > Maybe there's room for one Italian....
> >
> > Peter Kohler
> > Washington DC USA
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:29:34 -0600
> From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "r cielec" <teaat4p@yahoo.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]WTB: Shortie fenders
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> Don't think the length matters to proper usage. "Fenders" is American for
> mudguards.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "r cielec" <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:01 PM
> Subject: [CR]WTB: Shortie fenders
>
>
> > Hell-o Listers:
> > I don't know if the shorties are properly called "fenders" or "mudguards"
> but I am looking for a set or two. Can't these be made on one of those
> fender rolling machines the antique/ballon-tyre guys always seem to have?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard Cielec
> > Chicago, Illinois
> >
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:26:39 +0000
> From: "sam Lingo" <samclingo@hotmail.com>
> To: noel3006@verizon.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Racing hubs of the 20s/30s
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>
> BSA was big and supplied parts for racing bikes built world wide.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From:
>
>
> >To:
>
>
> >Subject: [CR]Racing hubs of the 20s/30s
>
> >Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:21:15 -0600
>
> >
>
> >I need to learn more about double sided/threaded hubs used for continental road racing during the 20s and 30s. I am assuming that they would have been chromed steel, probably three piece. Beyond that, I know little about them, especially who would have been making them and what brands were prefered.
>
> >
>
> >Once I've learned a bit more, I will be looking to buy some, so feel free to mail me off-list if you have any or know of anyone who might. (Yes, I have my Ebay set to search for them, but have come across exactly one pair in the last year.)
>
> >
>
> >Thanks for any help,
>
> >
>
> >Noel Hoffmann
>
> >Huntington Beach
>
> >
>
> >
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