[CR]C&G Bike Painters Liverpool


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From: "Alistair Johnston" <synertik@telus.net>
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:12:23 -0700
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Subject: [CR]C&G Bike Painters Liverpool

Greetings Does any one have contact information for C&G the Bike painters in Liverpool, England Thanks

Alistair Johnston

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Rene Herse 2. OT Topic - I apologise (r cielec) 3. re: Identify this Tandem and win a prize at Cirque* (HM & SS Sachs) 4. Re: Is this a PX-10? What year? (Daniel Swords) 5. Riding Theory vs. Design vs. Materials vs. Nationality (r cielec) 6. Is there a source for clamp on bottle cage clamps that will accept 2 bolt cages 7. Saddle Design (r cielec) 8. RE: Forwarded without comment...Campy opens Subsidiary in Japan (Steve Bowen) 9. Ebay Outing 10. Technical help needed for coaster hub (Bob Knight) 11. eBay alert: 1956 BIANCHI Campione del Mundo (Jan Johnson) 12. Steve's stem (Dennis Young) 13. Re: Cinelli stem bolt (John Lehoczky) 14. Re: Is this a PX-10? What year? (John Quigley) 15. Two frames, freewheels, books, catalogues and other items for Sale 7/4/04 (Hilary Stone) 16. PRE EASTER BAY AREA RIDE SATURDAY (Bob Freitas)

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:50:37 EDT From: CYCLESTORE@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Rene Herse Message-ID: <1df.1d3b62f5.2da4aa5d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1

Hello,

Some Rene Herse points as I know (or think I know them). Most if not all=20 later model Herses were supplied with decals. My 1983 model has them over c= hrome.=20 My bike which is has only one Herse part; the demontable handlebar stem. No= w=20 it has lots of lights and tubular racks and fittings that are very Herse. I=20 saw a 753 Herse with complete Super Record group in the Herse shop in 1983 t= hat=20 had no Herse fittings whatsoever, but it was a race bike and needed none.

You can see my cycle this on the CR site. It might be helpful.

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/images/Events/Cirque/2002/GilbertHerse43.jp= g=20

Yours in Cycling,

Gilbert Anderson

North Road Bicycle Company 519 W. North St. Raleigh, NC 27603 USA Toll Free Ph: 800=E2=80=A2321=E2=80=A25511 Local Ph: 919=E2=80=A2828=E2=80=A28999 E-mail: cyclestore@aol.com=20

In a message dated 4/6/04 8:17:39 PM, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org= =20 writes:

<< > > From: "Feeken, Dirk" <dirk.feeken@sap.com>
> > Date: 2004/04/05 Mon PM 12:29:56 CDT
> > To: "'CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: RE: [CR]eBay item 3669448632 (Ends Apr-05-04 06:08:30 PDT) - 1969
> > Rene Herse
> >
> >
> > I've contacted the seller and asked for more detailed pics and if the bike really has decals instead of hand lettering. He didn't send pictures but confirmed that the bike has indeed decals. He said the Herse shop switched to decals in their last years and that the bike has been repainted there. Don't know if this true, but since I could't find a single Herse part at the pics I hesitated to bid. Can anybody confirm the "Herse used decals" story?
> >
> > Dirk
> >
> > BTW: There's a brown frame with (different) "Rene Herse" decals hanging in the Singer shop which is obviously and according to the Csukas not a Herse. So at least fake Herse decals exist.
> >
> > --
> > Dirk Feeken
> > Heidelberg
> > Germany >>

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]OT Topic - I apologise Message-ID: <20040407014455.69710.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <10f.2e2f0b5e.2da39168@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2

I apologise.

Richard Cielec Chicago, Illinois

OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/5/2004 11:22:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, teaat4p@yahoo.com writes:

<< To all Listers who observe - May your faith be renewed and the questions answered in your heart.
>>

OT

Dale

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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:45:50 -0400 From: HM & SS Sachs <sachs@erols.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, aphillips9@mindspring.com Subject: re: [CR]Identify this Tandem and win a prize at Cirque* Message-ID: <40735D4E.1050208@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3

Ann, Let's start by saying it's "interesting." Beyond that, I don't think it is two singles that got married up at the point of a torch. Note the proper eccentric (picture 0808). Home mechanics marrying up singles would usually just put in an angle-iron clamp to mount a derailleur cage to take up the tension of worn chain -- and rarely get the bb to bb distance right, I'd bet. Also, the front seat tube has a rather nice treatment of the joined lugs (0804) I'd further venture the opinion that it is French: Bocama lugs in picture 0797, I do believe, and a nice choice for a tandem, what with the reinforcing ridges. Probably pre-early 1970s: Nicely designed but stamped dropouts. Throughout, the brazing quality doesn't cry out "constructeur" but "St. Etienne factory," at least to me.

You could ride this and have a lot of fun with it, but modern experience suggests that the "twin laterals" have much less stiffness than "internal laterals," the Gitanes and Follises of the era were famous for their "al dente" ride.

On the whole, and with all due respect for you and your find, if I were Mr. Bayliss I would put it in quarantine until you forgot it, lest his bikes catch infectious rot from it. :-).

But let me tell you about a nice, close-coupled Schwinn Town & Country that's looking for a new home. :-)

harvey sachs mcLean VA ++++++++++++++++++ Ann's eternal garage sale and home for wayward bicycles has this new and cool addition, or has had for a couple of weeks.

Is it two bicycles made into one? (I had a book on that in the 1970s)

How old is it?

What is it?

I'm thinking of sending it off to Brian for evaluation and repair, because honestly, it's cute and if it is ridable, would be *perfect* for tandeming around on with some of my shorter friends. I think Ellen and I could meet and blow away a lot of cute boys on the Silver Comet Trail.

Power to the over 40 ladies!

Yes, it has a fork with partially chromed legs and huret dropouts.

Its at the usual place,

http://community.webshots.com/user/aphillips9

the very last album on page 2 and will be available in about 30 minutes from the time of this post.

*the prize is the beverage of your choice, so I'm cheap!

Ann Phillips, Decatur GA

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:36:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Swords <danielswords@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Is this a PX-10? What year? Message-ID: <20040407023640.15382.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <009401c41c32$fbc8cd40$efddfea9@mooshome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4

I agree with Jerry and also note that the fork crown does not look like PX-10 quality. Check out this web site for Peugeot information: http://home.wanadoo.nl/peugeotshow/

BTW, I also found a near perfect (but completely striped down) Peugeot Mixte frame in the garbage. I have built it up into a great bike for running errands. A strange thing about it is that it was apparently a 10 speed but it has only one brazed on fitting for a down-tube friction shift lever (on the right side) so I have to shift the chain ring manually, unless it was intended to be a five speeed?

Daniel S. Swords New Orleans, LA

jerrymoos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> wrote: This is not a PX-10 or other top model. The rear stays are not half chromed and there are no 531 fork decals and no visible 531 frame decals. It may be a PKN-10 as the seller speculates or PFN-10. Not a real low end model, though as it has quality forged dropouts. Probably no Reynolds tubes, but could be Vitus, which was still good stuff. Decal style looks like late 70's or very early 80's.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Houston, Tx


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Subject: [CR]Is this a PX-10? What year?



> Howdy folks.
>
> Is this a PX-10 or some lower line model: http://tinyurl.com/2czkt ? If is is, about what year? I currently have the archtypical white with black Nervex Pro lugs, but it is a 21" and really smaller than I prefer. This is not as cool, but about the right size and all the parts would work (right?)...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug Van Cleve
> Chandler, AZ
>

To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Riding Theory vs. Design vs. Materials vs. Nationality Message-ID: <20040407025553.67493.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5

There's a chickens-to-eggs relation here no doubt. I'm wondering how theories of rider postion, frame & component design, materials, "national flavour" affected riding style, bike set-up and such. Perhaps even road conditions. For example: If there was a rider from the 1920's along side a rider from the 70's, what would one notice about bike set-up, cadence, rider postion etc...? Also, would there be a noticable difference between and English rider and a French rider? I've heard that "a while ago" - 1960's? 1950's? - common practice was to have the largest frame possible such that the saddle had to be full down into the seat tube. I wonder what it would feel like to ride a period correct bike from a very distant period. Can anyone comment?

Richard Cielec Chicago, Illinois

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:10:20 EDT From: Wornoutguy@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Is there a source for clamp on bottle cage clamps that will accept 2 bolt cages Message-ID: <11.263343d4.2da4cb1c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6

I want to use some American Classic cages on a bike with no bottle braze ons I have seen clamps that allow the bottle cages to screw into the clamp and strap anyone know who if anyone still sells those?

Sam DiBartolomeo Riverside CA

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:16:36 -0700 (PDT) From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Saddle Design Message-ID: <20040407031636.13615.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7

Is there a difference in saddle design; that is, British vs. French vs. Italian vs.? My understanding is there is such a difference among equestrian saddles; so, assuming there was closer connexion in the saddle craft way back when, I'm wondering. If so, this may be useful in choosing the correct saddle.

Richard Cielec Chicago, Illinois

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:00:59 -0700 From: "Steve Bowen" <steveb@pvbike.com> To: "'Tom Sanders'" <tsan7759142@comcast.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Forwarded without comment...Campy opens Subsidiary in Japan Message-ID: <001a01c41c54$efd41220$d0b90c04@dslverizon.net> In-Reply-To: <003e01c41bc5$e2f1ef30$aebe0b18@C1921978A> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: steveb@pvbike.com Message: 8

Hmm.... Can Shimano Tuscany be far behind?

Steve Bowen in chilly Southern California

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sanders Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:57 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Forwarded without comment...Campy opens Subsidiary in Japan

Campagnolo opens a subsidiary in Japan

Campagnolo srl announces the inauguration of its new Japanese subsidiary Campagnolo Japan. The subsidiary, sited in the city of Yokohama, shall be the Campagnolo reference point for the entire Japanese market. The objective of Campagnolo Japan shall be to provide Japanese customers with the same services already offered by other Campagnolo subsidiaries in other leading markets - the USA, France, Germany and Spain.

The first official Campagnolo Service Center is therefore about to be inaugurated, followed soon after by the setting up of the network of Campagnolo Pro-Shop specialised outlets.

Yokohama, once a tiny fishing village, decided to open up its port in 1859 so as to favour diplomatic relations with the rest of the country. Since then, barely 140 years later, thanks to the constant development of its port area, Yokohama has become one of the most important ports in the world besides being the second largest city in Japan with its three and a half million inhabitants

Tom Sanders
Lansing