I think we have long settled that ride is not necessarily related to workmanship.
Mr. Sachs posted on that a while back.
They are simply two seperate things. Of course the people who pay more attention to workmanship also often just pay more attention period. So they often pay more more attention to ride.
And ride is a function of purpose.
Some very rough frames can hit a sweet spot.
For example the Schwinn Sports Tourer was not a bad choice for adventure touring in 1973.
A Cannondale track bike is hard to argue with for sprinting either.
Great Notch, NJ
> Chuck, if I ever get my mitts on a stinky De Rosa, I will pass it your
> way...likewise if you ever get yours on a stinky brit bike, pass it on over
> here! I had a DeRosa, lugged frameset. It was fair in the riding/racing
> category. I have gotten my hands on some fairly inexpensive brit bikes that
> rode far better for me. Heck, even my flying dutchman rode nice than the
> DeRosa. There was just something lacking in mine. It just didn't have that
> kick I liked for climbing, no accelaration point or something. Nicely
> lugged, attractive in light blue with beautiful cutouts and not sloppy. It
> just didn't have that extra!
> Walter Skrzypek
> Falls Creek, Pa
> Still have my 3 Italian Bianchis, but I also now have a Dawes, Bob Jackson,
> and Flying Scot...not to mention my lovely spanish Darlings!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Schmidt" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: <email@example.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: What did the old builders have in mind?
> > Todd Kuzma wrote:
> > >
> > > on 4/8/04 3:32 PM, Chuck Schmidt at firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
> > >
> > > > If something like a "stinky" De Rosa is Eddy Merckx' choice to race on
> > > > (he wasn't sponsored by Ugo) then I want it.
> > >
> > > My point is if the DeRosa has the same level of workmanship as a Raleigh
> > > Peugeot from the same era (just a what-if, I'm not making that
> > > should it be held in any higher regard?
> > For me personally? Yes, the De Rosa is held in higher regard by me.
> > (Note that I said by _me_. I speak only for myself here. You list
> > members should avoid "stinky" De Rosas in my opinion!)
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, Southern California
> > .