Re: [CR]ebay outing: amusing faux colnago - Now: Italvega ID theory


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From: Duane Kennard <d.kennard@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: amusing faux colnago - Now: Italvega ID theory
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 00:13:44 -0700
To: FujiFish1@aol.com
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

I e-mailed the seller letting him know that I think it's a repainted ItalVega, and he bluntly suggested that maybe I contact Colnago for more information about this very rare frame... I then sent him pictures showing the drilled drop-outs, and a good close-up of the head lugs & fork crown of my ItalVega... He thanked me, and said he'll pass my info. on to the lucky bidder of the Colnago. Funny guy.

Duane Kennard Los Angeles, USA

On Apr 8, 2004, at 11:52 PM, FujiFish1@aol.com wrote:
> Charles, Duane, and esteemed members,  
>  
>    First I glanced at the auction page for the alleged Colnago bike in
> question, and passed over it with a minimum of concern.  But after
> seeing Duane's post, I went back for a closer look.  Being nuts for
> all things Torpado (which includes Italvega) I have a variety of
> photos of these bikes from that time period.  However, I didn't have
> to look too far, as looking over the photos that Duane just happened
> to have sent me the other day, I see some distinct similarities.
>    The drilled dropouts are nothing super unique to this marque, but
> the holes have seemingly the exact same pattern of location, and
> count.
>    The fork crown has the same shape as the Superlight / Super
> Speciale bikes.  And, if you look very closely at the faux Colnago
> PICs, you can almost clearly see the diamond window cutout in the top
> of it.  Something that helps cinch it, is that the diamond is picked
> out in gold ... exactly like those on the comparison model Italvega
> (PIC) that Duane sent me.
>    Less conclusive is the chromed dropout faces in the rear ... again
> exactly like Torpado / Italvegas of the time.  This too I suspect is
> no exclusive feature of theirs, but it helps to not prove the theory
> false.
>    Like others I'm sure, I have asked the seller to supply me with
> photos of the more important areas, and I'll report back what I see,
> if I receive them.  But, at this time, I see nothing that shows
> Duane's premise to be incorrect.
>    Any other theories or suspicions out there?
>  
> Ciao,
> Mark (Marko Torpado) Agree
> Southfield  MI
>  
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> In a message dated 4/9/2004 12:58:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:13:43 -0400
> From: <d.kennard@adelphia.net>
> To: <chasds@mindspring.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing:  amusing faux colnago
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> I believe it's a mid '70s Torpado, or (more likely) an ItalVega
> SuperLight
> or SuperSpeciale.
>
> (I just learned that the later SuperSpeciale & SuperLight models used
> the
> same frame)
>
> Someone wanted it to be a Colnago...
>
> Duane Kennard
> Los Angeles, USA
>
> >
> > From: chasds@mindspring.com
> > Date: 2004/04/08 Thu PM 09:05:24 EDT
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]ebay outing:  amusing faux colnago
> >
> > As I recall, about a year ago, this seller tried to sell
> > some no-name british frame as a Colnago...and failed..
> > I hope.
> >
> > He's at it again, this time with a frame that, as far as I can
> > tell, is clearly not a Colnago (although the fork might be..hard
> > to tell, and with no pics of the lug tangs I can't see the cutouts)..
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/
> eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&categoryV197&item671342648&rd=1
> >
> > ok, maybe it's a Colnago, but certainly not from 1974, and
> > not with the usual Prugnat lugs that Colnago used throughout
> > the 70s..
> >
> > the aftermarket drilled out rear-drop-outs are a nice--if slightly
> > alarming--touch.
> >
> > I hate it when people do this.  Gives ebay a bad name...<g>
> >
> > Charles "morally upright...sometimes" Andrews
> > soCal
> >
> > (I really should be working)