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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:20:03 -0400
Subject: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 16, Issue 63

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Ochsner Frameset: Can you tell me about it? (John Everett) 2. Re: Rescued Bike: Possible Paramount (stevens) 3. Canadian Builders of note - Gilles Bertrand (Grant McLean) 4. Re: Raleigh Buying Up Their Betters (sam Lingo) 5. Ochsner Frameset: Can you tell me about it? (Rick Paulos) 6. Re: Canadian Builders of note (Paul and Maureen Williams) 7. Re: Canadian Builders of note - Gilles Bertrand (Paul and Maureen Williams) 8. Re: possible Paramount? 9. Oscar Egg and Contact problems Michael & Ann (Pete Paine) 10. Re: Tesch question 11. Re: Canadian Builders of note (Grant McLean) 12. Re: Raleigh Buying Up Their Betters (kohl57@starpower.net) 13. Ebay Outing (Hilary Stone) 14. RE: Canadian Builders of note (Mick Butler) 15. RE: Brit v Italian bikes (sam Lingo)

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:40:32 -0500 From: "John Everett" <jeverett3@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Ochsner Frameset: Can you tell me about it? Message-ID: <407E66A0.25292.14919D12@localhost> In-Reply-To: <BAY12-F951kJMUMQJtm00038b5a@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 1

On 15 Apr 2004 at 13:03, John Clay wrote:
> I've got an Ochsner roadracing frameset that dates from ~ 1982. It has a
> few, small paint chips but otherwise appears as new. The previous/original
> owner said he put 2,000 miles on it and the condition of the groupset is
> consistant with that claim. It then hung on a wall for ~20 years.
>
> Can anyone tell me about it? Builder reputation, is the frame special in any
> way, history of the make, collectable, value, anything else?

As I recall these were Swiss built frames imported by Othon Ochsner (Ochsner International) in the Chicago area. I have no idea who actually built the frames.

BTW, at one time Ochsner was also the US importer of Vitus, and possibly other European marques.

For more info: http://tinyurl.com/2tl2j

jeverett3@earthlink.net (John V. Everett)

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:59:59 -0700 From: "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com> To: "John Clay" <jmedclay@hotmail.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Rescued Bike: Possible Paramount Message-ID: <20040415155959.M46239@veloworks.com> In-Reply-To: <BAY12-F42N9svdtPBA60002b327@hotmail.com> References: <BAY12-F42N9svdtPBA60002b327@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevens@veloworks.com Message: 2

E74381 would be the 381st frame built in May, 1974

http://www.waterfordbikes.com/2004/data/culture/paramount/sn/over.php

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:04:25 +0000, John Clay wrote
> I recently rescued a frame from a likely trip to the dump. I got it
> for frame repair practice but since there was absolutely nothing
> wrong with it I decided to set it up as a single speed to keep at
> the office for errands. It has no head badge but after checking
> around it appears to be a Paramount. The serial number is on the
> left rear drop and is E74381 which would make it a 1952 bike if a
> website I visited is correct.
>
> Is this frame too nice/rare/collectable to use as a utility beater?
>
> Thanks
> John Clay
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> _______________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:06:22 -0400 From: Grant McLean <Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca> To: "Classic Rendezvous Mail List (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Canadian Builders of note - Gilles Bertrand Message-ID: <D40031E5F7ACD71195BC009027887CFF118D1C@SLSERVER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 3

Since we're listing Canucks... (that's slang)

Hull Quebec, across from Ottawa, Ontario, (the nations capital) is home to Gilles Bertrand, who built many a nice custom frame.

I don't think Gilles is involved in the business anymore. I heard stories of divorce (what? people in Quebec got married? -sorry, that's an inside joke) and the store being sold, and some nasty business things happening. But the store is still there, and I think the frames now are built by Marinoni.

There was a Bicycle Guide magazine "Canadian" issue around '87 it think. It featured his work, along with Joe Gardin, Jim Miele, of course the infamous Guiseppi "call me the Canadian Colnago" Marinoni. The cover had a curvy woman in a skinsuit with the Canadian flag design.

Bertrand had a very detailed fit system, called "Cyclist Ergonomic Concept" and had computerized all his fitting info, even back in the 80's.

I still see several Bertrand frames in my neighborhood, they appear nicely finished and reportedly ride very well. I wanted one "back in the day", but bought a 531SL Marinoni from "ziggy" at "the bike shop" instead.

http://www.gmbertrand.com/page2_en.htm

Grant McLean(tm) Toronto.Ca

O \O/ _< \_ _< _ (_)>(_) (_)>(_)

Mike Barry of Mariposa has been building loverly bikes in the great = white north for a long time. Certainly within the CR timeline. He = continues to make bikes specializing in Randonnuer style bikes with hand = made racks. Pretty cool stuff. If you're into that sort of thing and = want a new one, this would be a good place to go. =20

Curt Goodrich Minneapolis, MN ------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:05:20 +0000 From: "sam Lingo" <samclingo@hotmail.com> To: kohl57@starpower.net, richardsachs@juno.com, joebz@optonline.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Raleigh Buying Up Their Betters Message-ID: <BAY1-F164cdJyP29JYq000416e6@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4

By 1958 T.I /B.C.C. owned:Aberdale,Armstrong,Dunelt,Hercules,James,Norman,Phillips Cycles,Sun,The Phillips moped,Norman moped,Bown moped,Brampton fittings,monitor brakes,J.A.Phillips(fitting)Resilion,Write saddle,a fleet of delivery trucks and at each of the factories a fully equipped surgery with staff and full time dental surgeon.T.I. had subsidiarys in India,South Africa,Republic of Ireland,Argentia,Australia,Canada,New Zeland,& southern Rhodesia.

Sam Lingo

pleasanton tx


>From: "kohl57@starpower.net" <kohl57@starpower.net>
>Reply-To: kohl57@starpower.net
>To: richardsachs@juno.com, joebz@optonline.net,classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Raleigh Buying Up Their Betters
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:33:26 -0400
>
>
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: richardsachs@juno.com
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:35:09 GMT
>To: joebz@optonline.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Brit v Italian bikes
>
>
>
>Joe B-Z wrote:
>"But the most evil thing that Raleigh did was to buy up the better
>competition like BSA, first whore the name out in their own country, and
>then subject it to further groveling in India. I think you could still buy
>a BSA in India today."
>
>
>it wasn't evil if you were a shareholder!
><g>
>
>Actually this is often overstated methinks... Raleigh gobbling up everyone
>else to ensure primacy for their inferior product.
>
>In fact, Raleigh only bought up Humber (1933), Rudge-Whitworth (1944),
>Triumph (1954?) and finally BSA-Sunbeam-New Hudson in 1957. It looks like
>BSA did some of their own "gobbling" before that!! Ask Sunbeam enthusiasts!


>
>What gets confused so often is that Raleigh itself was bought out in 1961
>by Tube Investments which owned British Cycle Corp makers of Phillips,
>Hercules, Sun, and most of the other manufacturers except Dawes and
>Elswick-Hooper. TI were smart: they bought the company but they kept
>Raleigh's superior management and marketing, better known name and most
>importantly got their huge (really too big even by then) Nottingham plant.
>
>Of course BSA had an outstanding lightweight line... they were, I think,
>better regarded by clubmen than any of the big manufacturers. In their
>days, the Gold Vase and the Tour of Britain models were top of the heap for


>those who couldn't afford the fancy handbuilt jobs. BSA offered the more
>desirable (even then) Cyclo-Benelux gears where Raleigh remained devoted
>(too long) to Sturmey-Archer hubs gears since, of course, they owned them
>too. BSA are well known in the USA since they supplied most of the
>lightweight, racing and track bike fittings from the early 1930s onwards.
>After Raleigh got BSA, it all just fizzled out.
>
>And yes.. it WAS sad to see BSA and Sunbeam at the end, their once renowned


>names stuck on kiddie trikes and low-end juvenile bikes.
>
>Peter Kohler
>Washington DC USA
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:06:54 -0500 From: Rick Paulos <rick-paulos@uiowa.edu> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Ochsner Frameset: Can you tell me about it? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040415105606.010a00b8@cph-mail.public-health.uiowa.edu> In-Reply-To: <CATFOODOaL08JQNNZv400001410@catfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5


>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:03:48 +0000
>From: "John Clay" <jmedclay@hotmail.com>
>
>I've got an Ochsner roadracing frameset that dates from ~ 1982. It has a
>few, small paint chips but otherwise appears as new. The previous/original
>owner said he put 2,000 miles on it and the condition of the groupset is
>consistant with that claim. It then hung on a wall for ~20 years.
>
>Can anyone tell me about it? Builder reputation, is the frame special in any
>way, history of the make, collectable, value, anything else?
>
>Thanks
>John Clay

Ochsner & Ochsner were importers and wholesalers in Chicagoland. They specialized in high end stuff, mostly racing equipment. I got to tour their warehouse one time on a road trip to a CADBA show. Pretty cool seeing that much in one place. We used to buy quite a bit of racing gear from them for the pro bike shop I worked at. They didn't make frames. Put their names on frames and some other items from unknown sources. Probably italian builders since so much of their inventory was from Italy. We sold a few of the frames. It took a bit of prep work to build them up. I was never impressed with the fit & finish. But I never rode them so I can't comment on the ride.

Rick Paulos Davenport, Iowa.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:08:42 -0400 From: Paul and Maureen Williams <castell5@sympatico.ca> To: classic rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Canadian Builders of note Message-ID: <407EB38A.1000303@sympatico.ca> References: <000001c422fd$d46d0000$e5ea6ed1@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6

I second the vote for Mike Barry's work.

Around here there was(is) Bertrand - don't know much about their history or product (any of the other Ottawa CR listers fill in the blanks?)

In my home town of Kingston, Ontario there is a chap by the name of Geoff Brooks (an ex-pat Brit) who apparently is still building frames - Brooks Custom Bicycles. I knew Geoff in the late-70s early-80s - he built frames for a few of the local junior racers in town and if I remember rightly was commissioned to build the pursuit bikes for either the 1980 or 1984 Canadian Olympic team. I vaguely remember seeing one of his road bikes - lugged steel and quite nicely done. Geoff painted one of my frames for me - working out of a small, cramped, basement shop - still does! Any of you other Canucks know of Geoff's work?

Paul Williams, Ottawa, ON, Canada

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:13:00 -0400 From: Paul and Maureen Williams <castell5@sympatico.ca> To: Grant McLean <Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca> Cc: classic rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Canadian Builders of note - Gilles Bertrand Message-ID: <407EB48C.9090706@sympatico.ca> References: <D40031E5F7ACD71195BC009027887CFF118D1C@SLSERVER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7

Okay Grant - you beat me to the Bertrand punch - I was typing as you were sending ;-)

I think David Bilenkey knows more of the Bertrand saga - there are now two shops in Gatineau (as it is now known) - one run by the sons the other by the widow(?) of Gilles. The latter still has a collection of older bits and pieces whereas the new shop is all state of the art ;-)

Cheers,

Paul.

Paul Williams, Ottawa, ON, Canada

Grant McLean wrote:
>Since we're listing Canucks... (that's slang)
>
>Hull Quebec, across from Ottawa, Ontario,
>(the nations capital) is home to Gilles Bertrand,
>who built many a nice custom frame.
>
>I don't think Gilles is involved in the business
>anymore. I heard stories of divorce (what? people in
>Quebec got married? -sorry, that's an inside joke)
>and the store being sold, and some nasty business
>things happening. But the store is still there,
>and I think the frames now are built by Marinoni.
>
>There was a Bicycle Guide magazine "Canadian" issue
>around '87 it think. It featured his work, along
>with Joe Gardin, Jim Miele, of course the infamous
>Guiseppi "call me the Canadian Colnago" Marinoni.
>The cover had a curvy woman in a skinsuit with the
>Canadian flag design.
>
>Bertrand had a very detailed fit system, called
>"Cyclist Ergonomic Concept" and had computerized all
>his fitting info, even back in the 80's.
>
>I still see several Bertrand frames in my neighborhood,
>they appear nicely finished and reportedly ride very
>well. I wanted one "back in the day", but bought a
>531SL Marinoni from "ziggy" at "the bike shop" instead.
>
>http://www.gmbertrand.com/page2_en.htm
>
>Grant McLean(tm)
>Toronto.Ca
>
> O \O/
> _< \_ _< _
>(_)>(_) (_)>(_)
>
>Mike Barry of Mariposa has been building loverly bikes in the great =
>white north for a long time. Certainly within the CR timeline. He =
>continues to make bikes specializing in Randonnuer style bikes with hand =
>made racks. Pretty cool stuff. If you're into that sort of thing and =
>want a new one, this would be a good place to go. =20
>
>Curt Goodrich
>Minneapolis, MN
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:15:21 EDT From: InchPitch@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: possible Paramount? Message-ID: <7b.270c97e8.2db00f19@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8

John:

Schwinn ran a simple 3 digit serial number sequence through 1959. The new system which began in spring of 59 had a letter followed by two numerical digits, i.e., A10-A99, B10-B99, etc. The "E" series began on 8/1/60, but only had two digits. Later numbering sequences had multiple letters and numbers as a production code, but were much longer than the number you indicated. Without

photos, it's hard to say, but I question if the frame is a Paramount. See the Waterford web site for a complete table of Paramount numbering sequences. They have the records and their info is accurate. Yours is the second reference I've heard of a web site with Paramount numbering sequences that were not accurate. I'm curious, which site is it. If you wish you can contact me off-list at: inchpitch@aol.com.

Bill Curtis, Costa Mesa, CA

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:19:41 +0100 From: "Pete Paine" <petebike7@btopenworld.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Oscar Egg and Contact problems Michael & Ann Message-ID: <003201c42305$7e318640$05078151@010118420008> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9

Hello All I have on file a copy of a 1936 Oscar Egg catalog . Its in = French but very interesting. Please let me know if you would like a copy All Michael and Ann Still can't get a mail though

Regards Pete Paine Watford

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:22:03 GMT From: brianbaylis@juno.com To: dvancleve@cox.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Tesch question Message-ID: <20040415.092241.13643.355978@webmail11.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10

Doug,

Those questions may be a little difficult to answer completely. I will tell you what I know, since Dave is no longer with us to provide answers.

I actually have a "custom, one-of-a-kind" Tesch S-22 which I'm bringing to the Cirque. It is a track bike, fillett brazed (by me actually), and totally unique overall. I'll explain more later about my bike and the S-22 in general.

Right now gotta pay a visit to the mail box and the plater.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA


-- "Doug Van Cleve" wrote:


Howdy folks.

Do any of you know what kind of geometry was used on the S-22 model and how it was sized (evens, odds, every other cm, C-T etc.)? My understanding is that these were standard builds, not custom. I would like to know the angles and such in the 53-55cm size range.

Thanks,

Doug Van Cleve Chandler, AZ

P.S. Apologies in advance is this eventually show up 3x...

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:28:58 -0400 From: Grant McLean <Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca> To: "Classic Rendezvous Mail List (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Canadian Builders of note Message-ID: <D40031E5F7ACD71195BC009027887CFF118D20@SLSERVER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 11

We've covered some of this ground before, so it's in the archive, but there is Jocelyn Lovell too, (showing Ugo had no trademark on the heart logo...)

http://www.canadian-cycling.com/e2/teams/bios/lovell.htm

Grant McLean(tm) Toronto.Ca

O \O/ _< \_ _< _ (_)>(_) (_)>(_)

kay Grant - you beat me to the Bertrand punch - I was typing as you were sending ;-)

I think David Bilenkey knows more of the Bertrand saga - there are now two shops in Gatineau (as it is now known) - one run by the sons the other by the widow(?) of Gilles. The latter still has a collection of older bits and pieces whereas the new shop is all state of the art ;-)

Cheers,

Paul.

Paul Williams, Ottawa, ON, Canada

Grant McLean wrote:
>Since we're listing Canucks... (that's slang)
>
>Hull Quebec, across from Ottawa, Ontario,
>(the nations capital) is home to Gilles Bertrand,
>who built many a nice custom frame.
>
>I don't think Gilles is involved in the business
>anymore. I heard stories of divorce (what? people in
>Quebec got married? -sorry, that's an inside joke)
>and the store being sold, and some nasty business
>things happening. But the store is still there,
>and I think the frames now are built by Marinoni.
>
>There was a Bicycle Guide magazine "Canadian" issue
>around '87 it think. It featured his work, along
>with Joe Gardin, Jim Miele, of course the infamous
>Guiseppi "call me the Canadian Colnago" Marinoni.
>The cover had a curvy woman in a skinsuit with the
>Canadian flag design.
>
>Bertrand had a very detailed fit system, called
>"Cyclist Ergonomic Concept" and had computerized all
>his fitting info, even back in the 80's.
>
>I still see several Bertrand frames in my neighborhood,
>they appear nicely finished and reportedly ride very
>well. I wanted one "back in the day", but bought a
>531SL Marinoni from "ziggy" at "the bike shop" instead.
>
>http://www.gmbertrand.com/page2_en.htm
>
>Grant McLean(tm)
>Toronto.Ca
>
> O \O/
> _< \_ _< _
>(_)>(_) (_)>(_)
>
>Mike Barry of Mariposa has been building loverly bikes in the great =
>white north for a long time. Certainly within the CR timeline. He =
>continues to make bikes specializing in Randonnuer style bikes with hand =
>made racks. Pretty cool stuff. If you're into that sort of thing and =
>want a new one, this would be a good place to go. =20
>
>Curt Goodrich
>Minneapolis, MN
>_______________________________________________
>Classicrendezvous mailing list
>Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:29:55 -0400 From: "kohl57@starpower.net" <kohl57@starpower.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Raleigh Buying Up Their Betters Message-ID: <29950-220044415162955361@M2W083.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Reply-To: kohl57@starpower.net Message: 12

Thanks Sam=2E=2E=2E=2E there is actually so little out there on TI/BCC=2E = I didn't even know until recently Hercules were independent until 1937 when they resisted a buy-out by Raleigh and instead fled into the open arms of BCC=2E=

The point is that consolidation, buy-outs, mergers and "branding" was goin= g on the British cycle industry long before that "wicked" TI-Raleigh!

Further, were the lightweights made by ALL of these mass production firms that much different or better say by the mid 1950s?? Dunelt, Sunbeam, Dawes=2E=2E they all offered what LOOK like the same top-end lightweights = all made of double-butted Reynolds, frames and forks, with all of the best components=2E Even then it was build and paint a frame and hang stuff on i= t=2E It's fun to sneer at a "top-end" Dunelt Defender club bike but judging fro= m the specs alone, it was no worse than a lot of more ritzy brands=2E And cheaper=2E=20

Here's where the absolute mass of British lightweights work against them I=

think in the esteem of many=2E Can one covet what is common? I suspect Phillips alone had more returned defective bikes in a year than Cinelli made in five, not a reflection of bad quality, just churning out what the much bigger market demanded=2E Someone on the CR list stated that Raleigh made 10,000 Internationals in 1973 (?) alone=2E=2E=2E think on that for a = moment!=20

Peter Kohler Washington DC USA =20

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:34:30 +0100 From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR] Ebay Outing Message-ID: <BCA47826.2F9CD%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13

I have listed 42 cycling items on Ebay all to finish next Sunday evening - easiest way to find them is to search under my ebay name: hilarystone They include:

WEINMANN CARRERA 400 BRAKESET NOS NIB LUCAS KING OF THE ROAD & 1898 CATALOGUE ALPACA TO SKINSUIT Time trialling in Britain history CYCLO SPANNER REGINA SYNCHRO 13-23T 7-SPD FREEWHEEL NOS STURMEY ARCHER GEARS AND LIGHTS MANUALS 1970s UNICA SEATPIN 26.2mm Ideal Cinelli Super Corsa THE GREAT RACES - 1984 PRO SEASON IN PICTURES/WORDS REGINA EXTRA 13-23T 6SPD FREEWHEEL NOS NIB STRONGLIGHT CHAINWHEEL MOUNTING BOLTS NOS BICYCLE MECHANICS SILVER HAWK FRONT LIGHT 1950s STREAMLINE NOS NIB GUINNESS GUIDE CYCLING 1970s rare TA CABLE GUIDE for stem NOS REGINA AMERICA 7sp FREEWHEEL 12-18T ZEUS 2000 BOTTOM BRACKET Complete SHIMANO DURA-ACE AX LEVER HOODS NOS CAMPAGNOLO BLUE GEAR LEVER/QR COVERS NOS REGINA SYNCHRO 7sp FREEWHEEL 14-24T HURET JUBILEE GEAR LEVER NOS NIP HUGH PORTER AUTOBIOGRAPHY World Champion Pursuiter CHRIS BOARDMAN BIOGRAPHY by Phil Liggett CARLTON INTERNATIONAL c1959 19in Very fancy lugs 3TTT SUPERLEGGERO BARS NOS NIP Early logo DELONGS GUIDE TO BICYCLES MAVIC OR10 GOLD SPRINT RIMS NOS CAMPAGNOLO RECORD REAR GEAR c1963 CYCLO SADDLEBAG LOOPS NOS MILLER LIGHTS AND DYNAMOS CATALOGUE 1950s GB HANDLEBAR PLUGS Early 1950s REGINA EXTRA 14-24T 6SPD FREEWHEEL NOS RUDGE-WHITWORTH CATALOGUE 1938 Beautiful BROOKS CAMPAGNOLO COMP SPECIAL SADDLE BROOKS B17 STANDARD OVAL BADGE SADDLE RALEIGH CATALOGUE 1937 SIMPLEX/FB/STRONGLIGHT/NERVEX LIST 1959 SIMPLEX LJ23 FRONT DERAILLEUR 1950s badged

Hilary Stone, Bristol, England

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:51:17 +0000 From: "Mick Butler" <pariscyclesuk@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Canadian Builders of note Message-ID: <BAY16-F76JNoEl4jksr00016b5d@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14

Surely any list of Canadian builders of note should include C.C.M. and William "Doc" Morton whose frames were the first choice of numerous track stars in North America. I thought Doc Morton use to incorporate the riders initials on the fork crown?

Best wishes and be lucky. Michael Butler Huntingdon UK.


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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:57:29 +0000 From: "sam Lingo" <samclingo@hotmail.com> To: gillies@cs.ubc.ca, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Brit v Italian bikes Message-ID: <BAY1-F145V8erbWWy7O00006233@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15


>From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Brit v Italian bikes
>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:20:22 -0700 (PDT)

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>What other countries had the equivalent of "Hetchins" or "Carlton
>International" with such overblown lugwork? I'm not saying that
>overblown lugwork is something to be proud of, but diversity of
>offerings is what makes life interesting ...
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Some of the fancy overblown lug work started here in America.The Early(1890s till 1903) G.J.s Ramblers has great curley lugs. And what a great model name,Only bicycle model to have a car named after it that I can think of.(many bicycle companys built cars and many cars took bicycle company names,Rambler was a model name of the G&J co.)

sam lingo pleasanton tx

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