Fw: Re: [CR]was: Flandria, is "Pricewatch", slump, Shimano Myth or Truth???

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:52:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nick Zatezalo <nickzz@mindspring.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Fw: Re: [CR]was: Flandria, is "Pricewatch", slump, Shimano Myth or Truth???

Jerry and others,

First of all I am a Campagnolo slob. Love it !! Want it !!! Gotta have it !!!!

Three years ago I was tempted to buy a take-off early Shimano Dura-Ace gruppo available for sale at the Cirque. The show/swap was winding down and a motivated seller was making me an offer that was getting real tempting. I finally backed away and did not make the purchase. The primary reason for the decision was that I have always been told that Shimano components are virtually not compatable from one year to the next or at least after short intervals. For me this has been a primary reason for having little to no interest in Shimano components. Maybe this is the reason that time lines for Shimano are less likely to be formulated; even though it would prove to be of great value to those interested in keeping this gear running.

So my question: Is this a Myth/Legend or fact ????

Nick Zatezalo Atlanta,Ga

As I said when this was first outed, I think the reason this went so low was that the tubing was not known. But with an NOS and near complete original Dura Ace gruppo, the frame doesn't have to be too special to justify $256. My feeling is that Flandria would have used quality tubing to build a bike with full DA. I will find out for sure when I receive the bike, but it is either a pretty good deal or a hell of a deal, depending on the quality of the frame. And you make another good point. Bikes are not investments - they are to ride. I ride all of mine and I will ride this one which is just exactly my size. And $256 is dirt cheap for any bike you will enjoy riding.


Jerry Moos
Houston, TX

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale B. Phelps"
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:03 AM
Subject: [CR]was: Flandria, is "Pricewatch", slump, b-grade pickin's,


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> Dave (and all),
> You know me better than to think I'd idly jump in on a squee-bay
> discussion here...but c'mon, the "underpriced" Flandria? It reminded me
> of the occasional bike boom NOS Raleigh Grand Prix bikes that show up-a
> new bike that precious few CRers would have coveted back "in the day."
> The flandria was interesting to me as it could have been a great donor
> for one of the flandria/deVlaminck full SL framesets I have in the
> attic, but without the proper mid-70's hubset/wheels it got to be too
> pricy for just the bits, NOS or not. It IS "interesting", and I'd look
> it over if JM were riding it or showing it off in my area, but it IS
> after all very much a prototypical made-for-US market boomer bike.
> Jerry got it and will get a chance to ride it this late spring, that IS
> after all what our hardware was originally about isn't it?
> I'm with the assessment of ups and downs on that cyber-swap meet, lets
> just be careful that our growing level of e-bay banter doesn't dupe us
> into thinking of our hobby as "investments".....unless we want to
> regard our "investments" in the way we council our kids about a 401k
> .... "put it there, leave it, pay no attention"...and trust something
> may come out of it 15-40+ years down-the-line. But I suspect most of us
> don't have the 15-40 years to wait....and lets face it, just 'cause a
> pump head you scrounged (or threw away!) when you were in high school
> might sell for 500 zops today, doesn't mean it will increase 500-fold
> in value by the time our grandkids are in high school.
> f.w.i.w.
> dp
> Boulder CO
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Bikerdaver@aol.com>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; <OROBOYZ@aol.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:01 PM
> > Subject: [CR]Are Ebay Prices Drifting Lower??
> >
> >
> > > Listers-
> > > It seems to me that Ebay final bid prices are getting lower. Yes,
> > there is
> > > the occasional 1950s Bianchi w/Cambio set-up that still fetches
> > $2000, but
> > as
> > > far as bikes from like say the 1970s, do they seem lower now than
> > in the
> > past?
> > > For instance, below a set of nice Campy SR calipers going for $41?
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&categoryB331&item672597081
> > >
> > > How about this recent Flandria that we were all discussing, or the
> > Faggin
> > > that Lou recently pointed out. If its just my limited perspective
> > that
> > makes me
> > > come to this conclusion, step right up and let me know. If others
> > are
> > coming to
> > > this conclusion as well, what do you think is going on? Market
> > saturation?
> > > Seasonal doledrums? Any and all opinions welcomed.
> > > cheers-
> > > Dave Anderson
> > > Cut Bank MT