[CR]Dating PY-10s - was: Probably not a PY10/was Ebay Outing : Almost -New PY10

From: "Feeken, Dirk" <dirk.feeken@sap.com>
To: "'classicrendezvous@bikelist.org'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:57:05 +0200
Subject: [CR]Dating PY-10s - was: Probably not a PY10/was Ebay Outing : Almost -New PY10

Eric,

you're right this is probably a PX 10/LE, or to be more precise a 1977 PXN-10/LE. Except the PY-10 all Peugeots were also available with clincher tires as "N" models. The PXN-10 was also the only one available in silver (in Europe) while the PX-10 was only available in light blue that year. But the difference to the many, many PY-10 versions are not only the braced on brake studs. The PY-10 before 1978 had also normal Mafac brakes. Not all PY-10 had Simplex Super LJs, there were also several versions with Delrin Simplex LJ4000 derailleurs. Dating PY-10s seems to be an art or science of its own. Next week I will pick up a (probably 76) PY-10, I bought on eBay http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4122809059 It has the gold anodized brakes and SLJ derailleurs of the special Thevenet model available after his fist TdF victory but not the chromed Nervex professional lugs that can be seen in the Peugeot catalog (not available on wanadoo.nl). BTW: Were these parts really gold anodized on Thevenet's bike or has http://home.wanadoo.nl/peugeotshow/images/1976_1.jpg been colored later for marketing reasons?

Dirk --

Dirk Feeken Heidelberg Germany

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Eric Elman Sent: Sonntag, 25. April 2004 00:38 To: Donald Gillies; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Probably not a PY10/was Ebay Outing : Almost-New PY10, 56 cm, SLJ 1970's, 16 hrs left.

I'm not so sure that this is a PY-10 as it does not have braze-ons for the brake pivot studs nor does it have retro-friction levers or Simplex SLJ derailleurs.

I believe it to be one of the last PX-10LE's as it has late generation Mafac Competiton brakes with normal mountings, standard Simplex Criterium rear derailleur and Super Compettiton front with Criterium shift levers and the Stronglight 105 crankset; all just as the last of the PX-10LE's were spec'd when they arrived here in the states.

I could of course be wrong but feel pretty sure she is not the ultra desireable PY-10; she is still very desireable as the PX-10LE, relative to the PX-10E, was still a pretty rare bike.

She's my size so we know what that means....

Eric Elman
Somers, CT

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Gillies
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:26 PM
Subject: [CR]Ebay Outing : Almost-New PY10, 56 cm, SLJ 1970's, 16 hrs left.

> Auction ends in 16 hours
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> http://tinyurl.com/22g5c
>
> I've been admiring this silver peugeot for a week, stronglight 105 and
> simplex SLJ gears, mafac breaks, maillard (700?) hubs and Ideale
> saddle with classic Peugeot graphics. it sure has a very classy look
> like a 70's era paramount or cinelli. It will make somebody very,
> very happy. Did this represent the pinnacle of french road racing
> technology?
>
> - Don Gillies
> San Diego, CA