Re: [CR]ebay fraud

Example: Production Builders:Cinelli:Laser

From: "Steven Willis" <>
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Subject: Re: [CR]ebay fraud
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:11:13 -0700

Good luck. I had a problem like this before with Paypal I will not go in to detail with it but I will never use Paypal again and I got my money back from my card. Steven Willis 1778 East Second Street Scotch Plains NJ 07076 908-322-3330

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: [CR]ebay fraud

> I'm about to go to my credit-card company to attempt to
> get my money back after an ebay deal gone bad.
> This is the first time this has happened to me, so any
> advice would be helpful.
> I won an auction for a Colnago Super with 50th anniversary
> parts from *jayway15* (who has since been de-listed from ebay).
> Jayway15 is one Marc-Paul van Asseldonk, in Den Bosch,
> Netherlands. He had mostly positive feedback, a few
> complaints about slow service, not much more.
> I actually e-mailed him before the auction ended to try to
> get a sense of whether he was legit or not, and he seemed ok
> (first mistake).
> I won the bike, he send a street address (which I will pursue), but
> I paid him with Paypal using a credit card.
> And I haven't heard from him since. No bike has shown up.
> It's been about 45 days, beyond paypal's limits (30 days is stupid,
> when you consider how long it takes for something to ship
> from Europe, sometimes...but PayPal is refusing to do anything
> to help with this)... so I will be working with my credit card
> issuer to try to get my money back.
> My second mistake was waiting so long to follow up. I guess
> I believed he was legit, and he just couldn't get hold of me.
> Which was stupid, and I won't make that mistake again.
> This post is a simple warning to avoid this guy like the plague.
> Also, if any of you know him, of him, or how to get in
> contact with him, I'd really appreciate it if you could
> tell me what you know.
> I am, naturally, quite angry about this, and I'm going to
> pursue him in whatever way seems reasonable.


> Charles Andrews

> SoCal