[CR]Re: Ross "signature" on Ebay

Example: Framebuilders:Norman Taylor

From: EdVintage63@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:00:05 EDT
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Re: Ross "signature" on Ebay

Ross for sale on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=7298&item=3685874526& rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

On the general topic of "caveat emptor," I don't see any real indication or proof this is a Ross Signature model, but the seller is clearly saying it is (though the word "signature" in the item description is cleverly not in upper case or quotes), and that it is built by one of the four named frame builders associated with the signature program. He can't even do better than a seven-year time span for the year the bike was built. What little I know of Ross bikes suggests that this is probably a Taiwan-built number - and very likely NOT a Kellog or Redcay frame. Maybe I'm wrong, but this seems another case of, at best, ignorance on the part of the seller who nevertheless makes some pretty strong claims for the item; and at worst, a carefully crafted deception. Or am I wrong about the bike? Any Ross experts? Ed Granger Lancaster, PA, USA P.S. As a new list member, some brief info. I am a 40-year-old mostly unsuccessful Cat. 5 road racer and A-Group bike club rider. I have been interested in vintage bicycles (60s-70s-era lightweights) since I began riding three years ago. Of course, I am old enough to remember when the 70s were the current decade, and briefly owned a Peugeot road bike circa 1981 that weighed about 35 pounds. About six months ago, I purchased a mid-70s champagne Benotto 1500 with full Campy Gran Sport that I have tried ever since, with little success, to identify the frameset of (Dale Brown was kind enough to respond to my email query about the bike). Trying to learn more about my frame, building materials and techniques, and about vintage components (as a result of pondering an upgrade for the Benotto) has sucked me deeper into the mire and led to the purchase (or perhaps "rescue" would be a better term) of a pair of early-70's fillet-brazed Schwinn Super Sports. The piece de resistance thus far is my newly arrived '76 P-10 Paramount, resprayed but otherwise original and in extremely good condition. Coveted bikes would include: early 70s Masi GC (orginal pick! - lost a bid on one not too long ago, which did have the silver lining of preventing marital difficulties), Raleigh Pro, maybe something more esoteric like an Alex Singer or Flying Scot; or a nice frame build-up project from Ron Cooper or Eisentraut. Heck, I wouldn't mind finding an authentic Ross Signature from Kellog or Redcay, either.