Re: [CR]Re: Ross "signature" on Ebay

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:23:57 -0400
From: "Joe Bender-Zanoni" <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Ross "signature" on Ebay
To: EdVintage63@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
References: <ac.5bb56bd7.2e130825@aol.com> <002a01c45e4c$36523860$6400a8c0@jfbender>


I may be eating crow on this one. Closer inspection shows the bike to be real different from my 1982 Redcay built Ross. But the bikes were built over many years and I have never seen an early catalog.

Calling Larry Black- weigh in please.

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ


----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Bender-Zanoni
To: EdVintage63@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Ross "signature" on Ebay



> It's a real one.
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <EdVintage63@aol.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:00 PM
> Subject: [CR]Re: Ross "signature" on Ebay
>
>
> > Ross for sale on ebay:
> >
> >
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> > rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
> >
> > On the general topic of "caveat emptor,"
> > I don't see any real indication or proof this is a Ross Signature model,
> but
> > the seller is clearly saying it is (though the word "signature" in the
> item
> > description is cleverly not in upper case or quotes), and that it is built
> by
> > one of the four named frame builders associated with the signature
> program. He
> > can't even do better than a seven-year time span for the year the bike was
> > built. What little I know of Ross bikes suggests that this is probably a
> > Taiwan-built number - and very likely NOT a Kellog or Redcay frame. Maybe
> I'm wrong,
> > but this seems another case of, at best, ignorance on the part of the
> seller who
> > nevertheless makes some pretty strong claims for the item; and at worst, a
> > carefully crafted deception. Or am I wrong about the bike? Any Ross
> experts?
> > Ed Granger
> > Lancaster, PA, USA
> > P.S. As a new list member, some brief info. I am a 40-year-old mostly
> > unsuccessful Cat. 5 road racer and A-Group bike club rider. I have been
> interested in
> > vintage bicycles (60s-70s-era lightweights) since I began riding three
> years
> > ago. Of course, I am old enough to remember when the 70s were the current
> > decade, and briefly owned a Peugeot road bike circa 1981 that weighed
> about 35
> > pounds. About six months ago, I purchased a mid-70s champagne Benotto 1500
> with
> > full Campy Gran Sport that I have tried ever since, with little success,
> to
> > identify the frameset of (Dale Brown was kind enough to respond to my
> email query
> > about the bike). Trying to learn more about my frame, building materials
> and
> > techniques, and about vintage components (as a result of pondering an
> upgrade
> > for the Benotto) has sucked me deeper into the mire and led to the
> purchase
> > (or perhaps "rescue" would be a better term) of a pair of early-70's
> > fillet-brazed Schwinn Super Sports. The piece de resistance thus far is my
> newly arrived
> > '76 P-10 Paramount, resprayed but otherwise original and in extremely good
> > condition. Coveted bikes would include: early 70s Masi GC (orginal pick! -
> lost a
> > bid on one not too long ago, which did have the silver lining of
> preventing
> > marital difficulties), Raleigh Pro, maybe something more esoteric like an
> Alex
> > Singer or Flying Scot; or a nice frame build-up project from Ron Cooper or
> > Eisentraut. Heck, I wouldn't mind finding an authentic Ross Signature from
> Kellog
> > or Redcay, either.