[CR]Was: Kirk frames, now: buying through a dealer, or not..

Example: Component Manufacturers:Cinelli
From: <OROBOYZ@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:11:20 EDT
To: rodk3d@comcast.net, tullio@TheRamp.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Was: Kirk frames, now: buying through a dealer, or not..

In a message dated 7/1/2004 12:33:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rodk3d@comcast.net writes:

<< My personal preference when buying another custom frame is I will not go thru a dealer. I will contact a builder directly and we will come to an agreement about what will be built. Ideally, I would bring my favorite bike to this builder and we would go for a ride, discussing what I like and don't like, what I'm looking for, etc. Then the builder could sit down and take my measuremnets in person. >>

Rod, you apparently had a bad experience (or more?) with buying through dealers. I would suggest that dealers are as varied as... CR members (whew!)

My comments to insert here are, "It all depends!" As a bike shop owner, I have represented/sold product made by many builders and I think/hope we have striven to make the process a benefit to the buyer rather than an obstacle. While some buyers are knowledgeable, many folks are not and do not know how to spec a new frame~bike. A knowledgeable, experienced shop can really help. Incompetent shop staff can also screw things up! In any case, it is extremely difficult to determine all the intricacies of fit, sizing, geometry, braze-ons, componentry and setup over the phone. Also, some of the best builders in the biz do not wish to spend productive minutes/hours jawing on the phone. And a builders ability to smooze via telephone is not necessarily an indicator that he is good-better-best.

So, my advice is to not jump to conclusions but do your research, not just on the builder but on the way you will take delivery.


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