Re: [CR]Touring on vintage lightweights

(Example: Framebuilders:Bernard Carré)

Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Touring on vintage lightweights
To: Donald Gillies <>,
In-Reply-To: <>

Speaking of touring bikes, I've come across a Peugeot Vagabond touring model, built in Canada with French parts, using "Mangalite" double butted tubing. Anyone know anything about this tubing or this Peugeot model?


Jerry Moos Houston, TX

Donald Gillies <> wrote: What is the definition of an "Off-the-shelf" tourer? I agree that the paramount shouldn't qualify since it's a limited production bike. And i think that just because a bike is a 15-speed doesn't necessarily make it a tourer, e.g. fuji america.

An off-the-shelf tourer has some combination of geometry and/or wheelbase and/or perhaps rear double braze-ons, randonneur handlebars (raleigh gransport, most schwinns), and room for large (32mm) tires with fenders (that disqualifies my P-15 paramount, but qualifies the raleigh international.)

By today's standard, every bike sold from 1970 until 1980 was a touring bike. Most of today's overly-racey bikes (trek 520 excepted) are pretty feeble from a touring standpoint.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA