Re: [CR]Should we take up a pool? Original run Carlsbad Masi on eBay

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To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Should we take up a pool? Original run Carlsbad Masi on eBay
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 01:41:38 +0000


That top tube looks like it might be damaged to me - note the apparent ripple in it about 1" aft of the headtube lug points in the right-hand image. Can't see the downtube well enough to say for sure either way, but it looks like perhaps another ripple about the same distance behind that lug. I'd have to see and feel it in person to confirm it, and of course I could be wrong, but I'm about 70% sure just from that image. Try running your fingers across that area - you might be able to feel the undulations in the tube if they are present. Regards, Greg Parker Ann Arbor, Michigan

Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:12:42 -0700 From: Peter vanBeckum <petervb@compassnewmedia.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Should we take up a pool? Original run Carlsbad Masi on

It's my listing on eBay, and there is no attempt to deceive anybody.

Richard knows the frame because he was once interested in buying it for a resto project, like his other 2. I've never met him, just know of his reputation. I shipped it to him. Then he told me that he suspected there was a crash in the frame's history. So, he would not be willing to pay my asking price. He still wanted to buy it, just for less. Since I wasn't ready to sell it for less, he shipped it back.

I stripped the rattle-can purple paint off of the frame, using a great deal of time and care. Not once did I ever find an indication of damage or rework. All of the brazing looks perfect to me. Trying to respect Dale's guidelines, it is hard for me not to say that maybe Richard wasn't up front with me in the first place. Let's not go there.

Today, i took some additional pictures of the frame. Since, I can't edit the eBay listing as there are bids, the pics are posted at a free pic hosting service. What I did was take a metal straight-edged ruler and hold it against the top tube and down tube, all the way around. There aren't gaps and bulges. You can see the pics at - http://www.freepichosting.com/Albums/421551585.html Since i am definitely not an expert on frames, this was my best attempt to substantiate my claim that the frame is in good shape. If someone can suggest another more precise method, just let me know.

Thank you.

Peter vanbeckum Redwood City, CA mint 1975 California Masi Colnago DeRosa Nishiki Pro - daily rider


> In the automotive world, having been informed by an expert that a vehicle
> had been involved in a collision, then attempting to hide that information
> from a potential buyer constitutes fraud. Failure to disclose problems with
> a house that is for sale also constitutes fraud. I don't see why it would be
> any different for a bicycle.
>
> It sure looks to me like a case of attempt to perpetrate fraud, as the
> seller must know that a damaged frame is worth significantly less than an
> undamaged one.
>
> Steve Barner, not a lawyer, but not buying any bent Masis either, Bolton,
> Vermont