I think in this situation, we do not need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. What we are talking about is the possibility that an expensive frame may be damaged, perhaps in a way that could lead to failure. For me, this does not require a unanimous opinion. If a framebuilder of the stauture of Richard Sachs says he believes the frame has been crashed, that would convince me that there is considerable risk in buying it. And that would be the case even if Jim Allen or Brian Baylis or Peter Weigle thought the frame was OK. Any one of these guys believing there was damage would cause me to consider it a risk, although for the right price, the risk might be justified.
Regards,
Jerry Moos
OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/7/2004 10:56:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wheelman@nac.net writes:
<< I could not judge from the photos the claims made either way .......... To speculate at my level of experience is worthless........... the opinion of 3 experienced frame builders would suffice. I say 3 not to question anyone's integrity or experience. I just know that every murder trial has qualified experts on both sides of the table that swear on a bible that their story is correct yet one of them is always wrong. >>
Ha! So, now it's a murder trail? I didn't get my payment yet for expert witnessing, but I understand what you are saying...
We DO have a number of folks making a judgment here who are relatively inexperienced. Those are interesting but barely nudge the gauge so to speak.
But also, thus far, we have Richard Sachs, Jim Allen and me. I am the least qualified frame builder of this illustrious bunch but ya got three & counting...
Dale Brown
Greensboro, NC