Re: [CR]That early Masi frame on E-BAy...once more into the breach!

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From: <"brianbaylis@juno.com">
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:01:51 GMT
To: tsan7759142@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [CR]That early Masi frame on E-BAy...once more into the breach!
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Tom,

First of all, Mario was one of the first workers to come to Carlsbad. He most likely brazed virtually every frame built in Carlsbad from the time he arrived to the day he departed. Can that rumor, there were no sub-standard brazed early Masis!

Richie saw the frame inperson, he says it's been punched; then it's been punched. It's easy to see on a raw frame when it's in your hand. The damage from that is very slight, as the ruler indicates; but apparently there nonetheless. That is not heat damage. If damage like that is visible it generally comes from bending or aligning, not from heat distortion. Sometimes a bulge is visible caused by heat below the seat lug on a frame. That is often caused by the lug beint too tight anc "choaking" the tube. Or at times attaching seat stays with brass can be a potential source of too much heat there.

So Tom, since you asked; yes you ARE off track. But it's OK. The case of this frame is pretty minor as it appears in the photos. The steerer cut off is the real bummer.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA Off to do polishing and frame repairs (how about TWO frames with BB shell replacements!) in El Cajon. Temp supposed to be around 105 degrees today.


-- "Tom Sanders" wrote:


I think this has been one of the most interesting and informative threads ever on this list. I have a question, though, that I have not seen addressed. There are obviously marks a ways away from both the upper and lower head tube lugs on the appropriate tubes. Must these marks have come from flexing or bending, though? I have been told of the qualitative improvement of the Carlsbad Masi bikes after Confente was brought in. At about bike # 100? At any rate, could these marks have been made by an improper brazing temperature and what we are seeing is the limit of travel of too high a temperature? Perhaps even something on the surface of the tube that overheated and caused these marks? If so, it would seem logical that at least some others of that early period would be similarly marked. Have any of the painters and refinishers on the list who have stripped Carlsbad Masis this early seen similar marks? If it was the result of too high a heat, would the damage be as bad as that incurred by the bike crashing? I am wondering if everyone is right, here. Perhaps the bike was, indeed damaged, but not by a crash? I'll bet those expert brazers on the list can provide a definite answer, and if I'm off track, it certainly won't be the first wrong tree I've barked up in a quest for knowledge.
Tom Sanders
Lansing, Mi