[CR]update on Scot auction

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From: "Wspokes" <wspokes@penn.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <004401c4940d$42864d00$6400a8c0@gc.ca.pch.gc.ca> <000f01c4942d$f9155320$88622c50@boblik53lxduoe> <005101c49464$8d2ddc90$88622c50@boblik53lxduoe>
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:49:09 -0400
Subject: [CR]update on Scot auction

Fellow listers.

I emailed the gentleman offline. There is nothing I would like more than to pick up a flying scot track specific frameset to match my Scot. He told me he was offered $500 off auction for the bike...I say he is crazy if he doesn't jump on that offer considering my Scot was in mint like condition, dates to around 61. features many extra Scot like features that this bike doesn't feature plus had NO damage and it cost me not even a fraction of the above cost thanks to Bruce Robbins. I believe that is a really really high offer for this particular bike and if that says anything about the reserve...I don't feel it will reach the reserve price at all.

Walter Skrzypek
Falls Creek, Pa


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Reid
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:53 PM
Subject: [CR]Was Pog but now Scot - 492R



> Dear all,
>
> The seller of the Scot on ebay vis ;
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> has sent most of the original photographs used on ebay however at a higher
> resolution, so with a little help from Photoshop, I've been able to pick off
> most of the details that place it fairly and squarely in the "produced by
> David Rattray" bracket. These I've added to a page on the website at ;
>
> http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/frame_pages/frame_492r.html (mapped)
>
> a few of the pointers, that identify it as a typical Scot 'path' frame from
> 1950...
>
> - The narrow round section fork legs, with 'cyclo' plate dropouts, topped
> off with the shape of the side of the fork crown - cut as per the companies
> spec. for a track fork.
>
> - The seat stay top eyes are finished in a concave oval cap. 1950 was the
> first year they used wrapround stays, and the style used on the earlier
> frames are identical to this. Clearly there was some crossover as the newer
> style was applied to all frames.
>
> - Ekla lugs, again typical of the post-war Rattray's style before the onset
> of Prugnat and Nervex with everything...
>
> - Curved brake bridge & undrilled. Identical to all post 1949 Scot's. The
> lack of the diamond shaped plates on the seat stays indicate it as pre-1952.
>
> - The frame numbers - The position on the frame changed in 1951, to under
> the bracket shell, however the shape and style of the stamping, the
> structure of the number, and the repeat number on the rear of the fork crown
> are as Rattrays marked the Scot's in 1950. The number itself, being correct
> for the year - the 492nd frame of 1950.
>
> - The headtube badge holes look to be in the correct place, though I guess
> only measuring up would prove otherwise.
>
> of interest, the markings on the cranks he says are 'FB' - you can't see the
> crank arms clearly enough, but they do look like FB. The Edward Williams
> marking he later describes in the auction I guess must relate to the
> chainring, unless of course someone knows better and Williams produced FB
> cranks ! - 'AK' from Hilary's code list indicating 1948.
>
> I'm no Scot expert, only an enthusiastic collector, and all this info has to
> be viewed together as a whole package. Given however that someone like Brian
> would be well able to fix that top tube ding, it's certainly a good buy for
> someone - Walt, how about a left and right-hand drive fixed Scot ? and
> hopefully cheaper than getting one shipped from the UK. Oh and I nearly
> forgot - there's two small marks on the paint on the rear of the fork blades
> indicating a prior ? stuck stem removal job...
>
> Bob Reid
> Stonehaven
> Scotland.
>
> http://www.flying-scot.co.uk (mapped)