The mystery bike seat stay cluster,
http://i16.ebayimg.com/
and the Lygie (not too easy to see because of photo contrast),
http://i6.ebayimg.com/
are a bit different from the Frejus.
http://www.classicrendezvous.com/
I think.
The Frejus cluster is shown as a seperate piece in a Rivendell calendar of a few years back.
Also its hard to consider the Cinelli B and the Frejus TDF as "price point bikes". The frames on both of these bikes are notable for their lack of comprimise on the workmanship relative to the top model. This was not typical of most Italian makers where you sort of fell off a quality cliff below the top model.
Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ
> Garrett wrote:
>
> Check out completed item #3696965247.This bike seems to
> share some distinct similarities to the red mystery
> bike,i.e. seatstay treatment,serial number
> placement,eyelets,even lugs,although they are perhaps many
> years apart chronologically.Am I seeing things?-
>
> Garrett Drake
> Washington, DC
>
> **********
>
> At the risk of being a bore..that seat-cluster was a stock
> item used on a bazillion italian bikes, including the Frejus
> TdF, Lygie, early Cinelli Bs and god-knows-what-all.
> Nothing very distinctive about it other than it was most
> commonly seen from the mid-1950s through the mid-1960s, and
> probably later than that..but not much later, I believe.
> I've always associated that cluster with price-point bikes..
> I believe it was rarely seen on the top bikes, except maybe
> the top Lygie..but, then, Lygies were not exactly artisan
> frames. Every one I ever saw, at any price, was shamefully
> crude.
>
> Charles "ready to state the commonplace at a moment's
> notice" Andrews
> SoCal
>
> Concerning Carlos Kleiber
> one of the greatest of all
> post-war conductors:
>
> The glamour often associated with a
> conductor's life held no appeal for him;
> he preferred to stay at home in Munich.
> He once told Leonard Bernstein:
> "I want to grow in a garden.
> I want to have the sun. I want to eat
> and drink and sleep and make love and
> that's it."