[CR]Was: Frame called CARLOS, is: Team Carlos 1978-9

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:02:42 +0200 (MEST)
From: "kim klakow" <Akimbo71@gmx.net>
To: "Norris Lockley" <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com>
References: <000d01c4a622$badab210$6f3a7ad5@oemcomputer>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Was: Frame called CARLOS, is: Team Carlos 1978-9

There was a team CARLOS - GALLI with a bunch of Vans riding on it in 1978- 9. I believe I have a picture of the jersey somewhere. Nice parts. I´ve got a set of NIB gold Galli derailleurs and brakes waiting for the perfect frame. Incredibly light mechs, I´ll have to weigh them.

greets, kim klakow berlin, germany


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norris Lockley
> To: classicerendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:12 AM
> Subject: Frame called CARLOS
>
>
> I haven't been able to get my browser to find this particular page -
> always do have problems and most times have to trawl through the items, but I'll
> have a stab at this one.
>
> If the frame looks pretty classy, maybe lugless, might have a very wild
> artistic modern art spray job, looks quite mean etc it is probably a product
> of a small fairly dynamic company situated in a pretty village just off the
> banks of the Loire , near Tours, in central France - St Cyr -sur-Loire, if
> my memory is working well this morning. The company was a small
> distributor og high-end accessories, but also did a range of exquisite frames and -
> a speciality, racing tandems, often track versions. They have a record of
> sponsoring leading amateur teams and on one occasion sponsored one of the
> smaller Belgian trade teams for a short while.
>
> I doubt whether Carlos.. and that name has no resemblance whatsoever with
> the name of the owner - but it sounds sufficiently exotic to sell frames -
> built the frames themselves. From what I recall of the company and the area
> around Tours, there were several excellent frame-builders available "on
> tap" so to speak. My money would be on a builder called "Phillippe" - I think
> that is his real surname, who has a good quality workshop in Orleans. He
> used to build for quite a few "Names" around the area and is still turning
> out some very very high class frames in aluminium alloy - very much a modern
> day Herse, but generally only racing frames. I think he had a hand in
> building those superb blue enamelled frames for Cyrille Guimard's team
> Maxi-Sports in the late 80/early 90s (Sorry that is off the List)
>
> The other possibility would be Meral, a small high class builder at
> Aubuigne-Racan about 30 kms down river. Meral used to build "series" frames that
> fitted somewhere in between the custom-builder and the larger
> manufacturers, but would do "one-offs" Meral tried to break into the big-time in the 80s
> by sponsoring a Pro team, the first RMO one I think, but went into
> liquidation not long after, but the failure had little to do with the pro team or
> the bikes.
> When Meral went down, it left about 17 frame-builders out of work. Some
> moved away to anther Meral factory to weld up hospital bed frames but one
> guy, Dennis Quillon, stopped in the area, set up his own small business as a
> sub-contractor,,,and flourished. His work can be seen around the world with
> names such as Geliano, Rozelli ,J-P Duret etc all brands of a distributor
> near Gien not far away.
> At one time in the beautiful lake-side town of Annecy in the Savoie Alpes
> of France, there were thre lightweight dealers all selling high-end frames.
> All the frames bearing different names eg Geliano etc were made by Quillon
> and dsitributed by Duret.
> Quillon rode out the competition from imported products and then having
> flourished , expanded until he founded CYFAC in recent years. Such was the
> success of CYFAC that one of the big names in France, LOOK, or VITUS
> (possibly the same ownership now..) bought out CYFAC... and now Dennis does nothing
> but advise. and go to meetings... and be consulted.
>
> I think there is a CYFAC on USA Ebay at the moment. Fantastic workmanship.
>
> Domwwhere in the above ramblings and chatter you have the origin of the
> CARLOS frame.. assuming that it is the French CARLOS.. but I don't know of
> any other.
>
> Norris Lockley.. Settle UK
>
>
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