Hi Chuck, Great site, I bought the 1938 Raleigh catalog from you last year to go with my \u201cSports Model 31\u201d but I need to first confirm the Claud Butler model.
thk, Ralph
Ralph Symbleme
Fair Lawn, New Jersey
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> 1. Claud Butler Massed Start Apologie & Exclusive Stems
> (Mick Butler)
> 2. North Carolina - Really OT and OFF List (r cielec)
> 3. Speaking of Stems (Peter Jon White)
> 4. Re: North Carolina - Really OT and OFF List
> 5. i find myself drooling over a girl's bike !!! ??? (Ben Kamen)
> 6. Interesting Aero De Rosa F/F on eBay (David Bilenkey)
> 7. Re: Re: 1940's Claud Butler (Chuck Schmidt)
> 8. Re: mystery frame query... (Chuck Schmidt)
> 9. Pivo / Cinelli / Milremo stems (Mark Stevens)
> 10. Re: Was Pivo, then Milremo.. now Phillippe/ Philippe
> (Chuck Schmidt)
> 11. Assmann (Mark Stevens)
> 12. Re: Zeus Chain? (brad stockwell)
> 13. RE: Assmann (Chris Ioakimedes)
> 14. Re: Assmann (Joe Bender-Zanoni)
> 15. Hnadlebar identification, please (Tom Hayes)
> 16. GB bar and stem for sale
> 17. Wanted to buy/trade: TA 165mm crank arms (Roy H. Drinkwater)
> 18. ICS Swiss Show bike (Linda Price)
> 19. Re: ICS Swiss Show bike (Chuck Schmidt)
> 20. ...was "mystery frame" ...now "cat amongst the pigeons!"
> (Norris Lockley)
>
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> ---
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> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:22:02 +0000
> From: "Mick Butler" <pariscyclesuk@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR] Claud Butler Massed Start Apologie & Exclusive Stems
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>
> Met up with my Father and some of his mates at a local Cyclo Cross
> race
> today. My apologies there was a Claud Butler Massed Start welded
> model
> produced in the 1940's. I thought this model was produced in the
> 50's. Got
> it completely wrong.
> Gave my Bates BAR an airing today and what was the first thing
> said to me by
> one of my Dad's elderly mates "Shame its missing the original
> steel Bates
> BAR stem". So there's another to add to the list.
> Best wishes and be lucky. Michael Butler Huntingdon UK.
>
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> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:24:13 -0800 (PST)
> From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]North Carolina - Really OT and OFF List
> Message-ID: <20040125202413.59988.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Listers:
>
> I apologise for cluttering the list with a non-bike question and
> can only offer my respect for your judgement and my concern for a
> friend as excuse.
>
> Sunday 25 Jan - Any North Carolina listers to tell me how
> hazardous the driving conditions are in the High Point area?
>
> Contact Off List, please.
> Thanks
> Richard Cielec
> Chicago, Illinois
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:32:26 -0500
> From: "Peter Jon White" <lists@PeterWhiteCycles.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Speaking of Stems
> Message-ID: <189b01c3e382$58f2b2e0$6701a8c0@office>
> References: <CATFOODtO9vXLsdAefp00000f79@catfood.nt.phred.org>
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> I've finally gotten a page finished showing my full selection of
> forgedaluminum 1" threaded steerer stems.
>
> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/
>
> Peter Jon White
> Peter White Cycles
> 24 Hall Rd.
> Hillsborough, NH 03244
> 603 478 0900 Phone
> 603 478 0902 Phax
> http://www.PeterWhiteCycles.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:34:12 EST
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> To: teaat4p@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]North Carolina - Really OT and OFF List
> Message-ID: <174.253d0552.2d458244@aol.com>
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> In a message dated 1/25/2004 3:25:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> teaat4p@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << Sunday 25 Jan - Any North Carolina listers to tell me how
> hazardous the
> driving conditions are in the High Point area? >>
>
> That's right next door to me.
> It is really coming down! You don't wanna drive unless you are a
> Yankee being
> used to this plus able to avoid the few idiotic southerners who
> are
> attempting it and don't know what they are doing!!
>
> Vintage content.. I am updating the CR with a small part of the
> HUGE back log
> sitting here.....
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro NC
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:51:52 -0500
> From: Ben Kamen <dupe@mac.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]i find myself drooling over a girl's bike !!! ???
> Message-ID: <4D798D66-4F78-11D8-9CA5-000393B3BF4C@mac.com>
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>
> hey cool cats,
>
> Professore Sr. Maasland posted about a pinarello mixte that was on
> german ebay just recently. totally cool with all super record.
>
> Now, that master of pimpin' bici in Swiss-Land
>
> http://www.speedbicycles.ch/
>
> has recently posted a hot-to-trot chick's bike by the famed name
> Masi.
> lotta cool details and plenty good pictures. sure is pretty.
> Brian Baylis' size too - i'll even forego a spotter's fee Brian ;-)
>
> http://www.speedbicycles.ch/
>
> these bikes just plain Rock
>
> ciao,
> ben kamen, NYC
>
> "I know it's only rock & roll, but i like it !!!"
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:20:11 -0500
> From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
> To: "Classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Interesting Aero De Rosa F/F on eBay
> Message-ID: <HBECIOPCNPKEJLCJBKNKKEJKHOAA.dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
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>
> Pretty neat (I think). I'm hoping to buy one of these shortly. I
> suspectit'll be too large for me so if anyone finds this auction
> interesting there
> may be another of these rarities available (maybe!).
>
> http://cgi.ebay.ca/
>
> If anyone has any knowledge to share about these bikes please do,
> to both
> the list and the seller (who I have no connection with!).
>
> David Bilenkey
> in really freakin' cold!
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:35:40 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: 1940's Claud Butler
> Message-ID: <40142891.918C8823@earthlink.net>
> References: <47cce46c45.46c4547cce@optonline.net>
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>
> Ralph Symbleme wrote:
> >
> > Mick thanks for your response, are you aware of any web sites
> that list details on the Claud Butler models you mentioned?
>
>
> Ralph, I have the following for sale on my website http://www.velo-
> retro.com :
>
> \u2022Claud Butler Catalog, 1938 -- 32 pages, twenty-two models shown
> including racing and touring cycles, tandems and tricycles from
> this English
> maker of fine bicycles. Very complete catalog. Two bikes scanned and
> enlarged in color. Color cover. $ 12
>
> \u2022Claud Butler Catalog, late 1940s -- 14 pages, sixteen models
> shown and
> price list of this English bicycle manufacturer. Color cover. $ 5
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts and timelines)
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:41:37 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]mystery frame query...
> Message-ID: <401429F6.B2BF6017@earthlink.net>
> References: <1ac.1f71cc75.2d41f66f@aol.com>
> <003301c3e323$ed52e860$06b97ad5@oemcomputer>
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> Message: 8
>
> Bob Reid wrote:
> >
> (cut)
> > - There's no Tecalemit (Zerk for Chucks benefit) nipples on
> either the BB
> > shell or lower head lug (cut)
>
>
> Tecalemit® works for me Bob. I believe the small plastic
> Tecalemit tool
> was for oil and not grease? Zerk© fittings are only for injecting
> grease with a grease gun?
>
> Anyone?
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:40:06 -0000
> From: "Mark Stevens" <mountgerald@btopenworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Pivo / Cinelli / Milremo stems
> Message-ID: <001d01c3e38b$f66eed50$4f657ad5@DJN4ZQ0J>
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> Hi all, I have a steel stem with a screwed on Milremo badge. The
> badge is
> thin etched brass with painted details, made in the same fashion
> as the
> Cinelli badged stems. Under this is the Cinelli stamp. It is a
> Cinelli steel
> stem in every other respect. When were these introduced?
> Mark Stevens, Dingwall. Scotland
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:45:38 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Was Pivo, then Milremo.. now Phillippe/ Philippe
> Message-ID: <40142AE6.7B44DA7A@earthlink.net>
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>
> Norris Lockley wrote:
> (cut)
> > I don't know who made them, possibly a forerunner of ATAX, but
> the stems appeared as PIVO, Milremo made for Kitching and Bertin )
> and possibly in their best incarnation as Phillippe - all the same
> though..They were standard equipment on Helyett, CNC Speciale, and
> many other top French bikes of the time.
>
>
> Philippe Professionnel bar and No. 45 stem photo:
> <" target="l">http://www.speedbicycles.ch/133/133_0797.jpg>
>
> Pretty sure that Pivo, Philippe, ATAX were all the same company;
> anyoneknow for sure?
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:56:48 -0000
> From: "Mark Stevens" <mountgerald@btopenworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Assmann
> Message-ID: <002d01c3e38e$23c3c6c0$4f657ad5@DJN4ZQ0J>
> References: <CATFOODuG7Z2JQHeFXv00000f8c@catfood.nt.phred.org>
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>
> Hey Russ, I bought a 1938 Claud Butler Super Velo from my local
> charity shop
> a few weeks ago and it came with a front brake and lever marked
> Assmann. I
> had to rub away the rust and then rub my eyes to believe what I
> was reading.
> I would guess that the brake was an original fitment. If so it is
> pre war. I
> wonder if the company survived the war? Anybody have any more info?
> Mark Stevens, Dingwall. Scotland
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:03:18 -0800 (PST)
> From: brad stockwell <brdstockwell@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Zeus Chain?
> Message-ID: <20040125220318.32439.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com>
> In-Reply-To: <002c01c3e278$35181730$764ee544@elman1>
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>
> Zeus Chains:
>
> Until 1980, Zeus bikes came with black Renold chains, except for
> the track bikes which came with Iris chains.
>
> When Zeus came out with the 7-speed freewheel that required a
> narrow chain, they switched to a gold & black sedis model. Sedicolor?
>
> Brad Stockwell
> Palo ALto
>
>
> Eric Elman <tr4play@cox.net> wrote:
> Looking for info on what brand/model chain was used on Zeus 2000
> equippedbikes from about 1980.
>
> As always, thans in advance,
>
> Eric Elman
> Somers, CT
>
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:11:17 -0800
> From: "Chris Ioakimedes" <chriseye@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Assmann
> Message-ID: <000201c3e390$27abc470$57650518@kentro>
> In-Reply-To: <002d01c3e38e$23c3c6c0$4f657ad5@DJN4ZQ0J>
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>
> Hello,
> I had a late 1950s Wander (Italian) bike which had an Assman
> saddle, I
> think it was original equipment, but I could be wrong.
> Chris Ioakimedes
> Fairfax California
> I wish bikes like that showed up at my local charity shop.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Mark
> Stevens
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:57 PM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Assmann
>
> Hey Russ, I bought a 1938 Claud Butler Super Velo from my local
> charityshop
> a few weeks ago and it came with a front brake and lever marked
> Assmann.I
> had to rub away the rust and then rub my eyes to believe what I was
> reading.
> I would guess that the brake was an original fitment. If so it is pre
> war. I
> wonder if the company survived the war? Anybody have any more info?
> Mark Stevens, Dingwall. Scotland
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:35:32 -0500
> From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Assmann
> Message-ID: <00b701c3e393$8aff7140$6400a8c0@jfbender>
> References: <000201c3e390$27abc470$57650518@kentro>
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>
> Chris Beyer had a bike with an Assman saddle, I think it was German.
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Ioakimedes" <chriseye@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 5:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [CR]Assmann
>
>
> > Hello,
> > I had a late 1950s Wander (Italian) bike which had an Assman
> saddle, I
> > think it was original equipment, but I could be wrong.
> > Chris Ioakimedes
> > Fairfax California
> > I wish bikes like that showed up at my local charity shop.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> > [classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Mark
> > Stevens
> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:57 PM
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]Assmann
> >
> > Hey Russ, I bought a 1938 Claud Butler Super Velo from my local
> charity> shop
> > a few weeks ago and it came with a front brake and lever marked
> Assmann.> I
> > had to rub away the rust and then rub my eyes to believe what I was
> > reading.
> > I would guess that the brake was an original fitment. If so it
> is pre
> > war. I
> > wonder if the company survived the war? Anybody have any more info?
> > Mark Stevens, Dingwall. Scotland
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:00:03 -0600
> From: "Tom Hayes" <hayesbikes@nls.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Hnadlebar identification, please
> Message-ID: <001e01c3e39f$6eb58180$a046fea9@computer>
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>
> I have a handlebar set that I cannot identify, and I wonder if any
> on > the list can help: on the right side there is an engraving of a > bicyclist with a hairnet helmet, and on the left is an engraving
> of the > western hemisphere (I think: my fourth grade geography escapes
> me). > There are no other markings that I can find.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Tom Hayes
> Chagrin Falls, Ohio
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:00:51 EST
> From: NortonMarg@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]GB bar and stem for sale
> Message-ID: <6b.213f4bc2.2d45a4a3@aol.com>
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>
> All this talk about stems got me looking at what I have in the for
> sale pile:
> Nice condition GB Hiduminium forged stem, approximately 7.5 or 8cm
> in length,
> featuring a long spearpoint on top. It has the look of a lugged
> steel stem,
> but obviously, aluminum. Very decent condition, no rust on the
> chrome bolts. It
> has what looks to be the original bars with no visible scratches,
> 41cm
> outside to outside width.
> $25 plus shipping?
> Stevan Thomas
> Alameda, CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:43:35 -0500
> From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@ptd.net>
> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Wanted to buy/trade: TA 165mm crank arms
> Message-ID: <a05200f08bc3a0dd64bd5@[192.168.1.1]>
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>
> Well, Hilary's auction went too high for me, so I'll ask the
> list. I'm looking for a set of 165mm TA "Cyclotouriste" (or Pro 5
> Vis) crankarms. Overall condition should be usable, meaning good
> threads and tapers, but the arms could be scratched & worn. If
> interested, I have a set of 170mm arms in same condition for trade
> &
> payment.
>
>
> Roy "not doing too good on ebay..." Drinkwater
> Lititz, PA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:55:16 -0700
> From: "Linda Price" <lindaprice4@comcast.net>
> To: "C.R. List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]ICS Swiss Show bike
> Message-ID: <006901c3e3a7$10a1f940$06cea543@attbi.com>
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>
> Browsing on the CR site (a great way to spend a snowy afternoon
> here in > Denver) I've come across the Swiss ICS component page and was
> really > amazed by the ICS Campagnolo modified components. AND that show
> bike of > David Cannady's, the blue/gold ItalCicli is just incredible.
>
> Can anybody tell me anything about ICS and ItalCicli ?
>
> John "looks like something Goldfinger would love" Price
> Denver CO
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:03:19 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: "C.R. List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]ICS Swiss Show bike
> Message-ID: <4014592E.2D7AA1FB@earthlink.net>
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>
> Linda Price wrote:
> >
> > Browsing on the CR site (a great way to spend a snowy afternoon
> here in Denver) I've come across the Swiss ICS component page and
> was really amazed by the ICS Campagnolo modified components. AND
> that show bike of David Cannady's, the blue/gold ItalCicli is
> just incredible.
> >
> > Can anybody tell me anything about ICS and ItalCicli ?
> >
> > John "looks like something Goldfinger would love" Price
> > Denver CO
>
>
> 57 posts matching ICS:
> <"
> target="l">http://search.bikelist.org/?SearchString=ICS&Scope=classicrendezvous>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:15:52 -0000
> From: "Norris Lockley" <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]...was "mystery frame" ...now "cat amongst the pigeons!"
> Message-ID: <000801c3e3a9$f1c58de0$67ba7ad5@oemcomputer>
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>
> I seem to have a real problem getting on to these obscure websites
> that > you fellows keep pointing to, but after many attempts I've
> finally made > it.
>
> And, as we say up in very cold and wet Yorkshire when we wish to
> be > controversial, which we often do because it's so bloody cold and
> wet > that ther'e's precious little else to do but to be contraversial.,
> I'm > going to put "..the cat amongst the pigeons".
>
> I reckon that this frame is definitely NOT a Taylor nor it it a
> Flying > Scot as it's just TOO unfinished for a hand-built job. What it is,
> I > think, is a top-level frame from the lightweight workshop of one
> of the > large manufacturers producing lightweights in the 1950s - . In
> that era > there were builders such as Viking, BSA, Dayton, Wearwell - all > producing quality factory-built lightweights for use by their
> teams of > Pros/Independents. This mystery frame, I'm sure, is a Hercules, a
> large > manufacturer who had a trade team and, if my memory is correct
> sponsored > one of the very early, if not the first GB team to ride in the
> Tour de > France.. They also sponsored the record-breaking lady, Eileen
> Sheriden,
> What makes me think so? Well, it's the top-eyes at the junction of
> the > seat stays and the seat-lug. These are not craftsman-made items,
> they > are factory pressed-overs, with no trace of filing up after
> brazing.. > The lugs are Oscar Egg "Super Champion" - the plainest of the
> series, > often used by Hercules, and sometimes on Bates of London, JRJs,
> Rotrax > etc. The fork crown is pure English. I have several frames in my > workshop of all sorts of varying qualities , some Falcon, some
> Elswick, > all sporting this crown, which on late 40s frames were sometimes D
> - to > -round section, The crown manufacturer also made bottom-brackets,
> but > these were pretty clumsy affairs, and so, for this "top-of-the-
> range" > TEAM frame the manufacturer chose a French (or was it Belgian) RGF
> shell > which always were of very high quality. The mixture of Stallard > rear-ends with another brand of drop-out was quite normal
> in those days. The D/T gear lever boss is Cyclo, I think, and the > chainstay cable eye is the same as those used by most large > manufacturers - check out your Vikings. Hercules built some very
> light > "classic" looking frames, most of which had the sweeping rake type
> of > fork, because there were still a lot of cobbles around in
> Britain's > cities in the 50s which is when, I am certain, this frame was made.
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> As for the rear brake bridge I am pretty sure that this is a
> replacement > item as is the seat lug bolt eye, Such parts exposed to ham-fisted > cyclists can get pretty chewed up over a period of several decades,
>
> So.. I maintain it's a HERCULES..but I have been known to be wrong..
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> Norris Lockley ( nursing a !953 Hercules catalogue on his lap)
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