BRIAN TODD, WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT NAME BEFORE? THANKS! -----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:22 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 22, Issue 46
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Sad Legnano on eBay.... (David Bilenkey) 2. Re: Sad Legnano on eBay.... (Wayne Jolly @ Canadian IT) 3. Re: Evil Brian Todd Sighting in MTB world - all beware (dave martinez) 4. Re: Evil Brian Todd Sighting in MTB world - all beware (Mark Poore) 5. Sapim Spokes...? (Duane Kennard) 6. Campagnolo wide clamp vs. narrow clamp date... (Chuck Schmidt) 7. Velo Swap in Chicago (Peter Naiman) 8. Velo Swap information (Peter Naiman) 9. RE: Velo Swap in Chicago (Jan Johnson) 10. Rigida 13-19 13-20 (brian blum) 11. Masi come and gone! (greg arnold) 12. Regina drilled oro chains (greg arnold) 13. Want a good laugh? (Jay Sexton) 14. The Holy Grail - Eddy's Colnago (Feeken, Dirk) 15. Lance Armstrong's Personal Travel/Training Frame Set from 1994-1996 (Mark Poore) 16. Re: Sapim Spokes...? (Joe Bender-Zanoni) 17. Re: WTB: Record 151mm chainring -- 51 tooth (Jamie Swan) 18. Re: Masi come and gone! (richardsachs@juno.com)
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:12:42 -0400 From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Sad Legnano on eBay.... Message-ID: <000001c4b64a$4803cbe0$0500a8c0@DAVID> In-Reply-To: <1e2.2c894e5c.2ea722a8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: dbilenkey@sympatico.ca Message: 1
Yes and the pulleys, this is why I said 'parts of the rear derailleur' were original. I wonder where that top pivot bolt came from? I wonder how it fits?
David Bilenkey
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com [mailto:OROBOYZ@aol.com]
> Sent: October 19, 2004 10:09 PM
> To: dbilenkey@sympatico.ca; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Sad Legnano on eBay....
>
>
> In a message dated 10/19/2004 9:09:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> dbilenkey@sympatico.ca writes:
>
> << I thought of pointing out to the seller how the only
> original (or at least
> appropriate) thing on this Legnano besides the frame and
> fork (and possibly the headset) was parts of the rear
> derailleur and the down tube gear cable guide >>
>
> ... Notice the upper pivot bolt on the rear der.......
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, NC
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:13:56 -0400 From: "Wayne Jolly @ Canadian IT" <wjolly@canadianittraining.com> To: <OROBOYZ@aol.com>, <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Sad Legnano on eBay.... Message-ID: <005f01c4b64a$7557cce0$0a02a8c0@CPQ30307251112> References: <1e2.2c894e5c.2ea722a8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: "Wayne Jolly @ Canadian IT" <wjolly@canadianittraining.com> Message: 2
List I have an upper pivot bolt just like that on my OT Kona MB, I wonder if I should take it off there and put it on eBay ? Hmmm..
Wayne(relying on Dale to help me finance the Legnano) Jolly, Toronto
> In a message dated 10/19/2004 9:09:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> dbilenkey@sympatico.ca writes:
>
> << I thought of pointing out to the seller how the only original (or at
> least
> appropriate) thing on this Legnano besides the frame and fork (and
> possibly
> the headset) was parts of the rear derailleur and the down tube gear cable
> guide >>
>
> ... Notice the upper pivot bolt on the rear der.......
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, NC
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com> To: hersefan@comcast.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Evil Brian Todd Sighting in MTB world - all beware Message-ID: <20041020025501.45223.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <102020040157.22624.4175C610000A565E000058602200750784020E000A9C9D0A08@comca st.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3
Hello Mike and fellow CRers,
You are absolutely correct Mike. Mr. Todd is not to be trusted under any circumstances. His MO is to build your trust through mutual interests, he tells of his "inside" contacts and the money is exchanged........ I had a dealing with him regarding having a Taylor Tourist and Rann built. He was the middleman between Norman and me. He packed both frames together with one sheet of bubble wrap between the two as the only source of protection. The two frames arrived damaged with lots of scratches, dents and a kinked seatstay. UPS refused to cover the costs of damage due to insufficent packing. Mr. Todd agreed to pay for repair and paint, but very soon afterward, he disappeared, not to answer any phone calls, emails or letters. So please, do yourselves a favor and avoid this guy!!!
Regards, Dave Martinez Fremont Ca Raining and windy
hersefan@comcast.net wrote: Hi folks,
For those not aware of this, a few years back a person named Brian Todd ran a few scams against the vintage lightweight community. Evil deeds included claiming to be an importer for Alex Singer bikes (which he wasn't) and then running with about 10K in funds from an unsuspecting Japanese dealer.
After that, he formed a Rene Herse oriented newsgroup with make believe people which sucked in folks such as myself, Jan Heine, and our own Dale Brown. Eventually it was discovered that the group was false and just in time - one of Japan's greatest bike dealers was contemplating a trip to the states to visit this no-goodnick - who's shop at the time was constantly being hyped by the make believe people.
Well, Brian Todd dissappeared but has now reappeared in the vintage mountain bike community. Reports of evil deeds include shill bids and junky frames repainted and then passed off as NOS fancy esoteric stuff. He uses several names in order to facilitate shill bids and to keep a clean ebay record. The current account on ebay is vtgmtb. Interestingly, it is spotless, but only because he has built it up most recently after using it for shills.
Some folks have had good transactions from him, but then he does an nasty deed and moves on. He sometimes sells french oriented goodies and other vintage lightweight stuff.
So everyone beware - this guy is as bad as it gets.
Mike Kone in Boulder CO
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Poore <rauler83@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Evil Brian Todd Sighting in MTB world - all beware Message-ID: <20041020031819.23792.qmail@web50007.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041020025501.45223.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
Damn, and I was just about to bid on his Elmer Fudd cast iron bank.
http://ebay.com/
Do I take the chance, NO.
Thanks for the warning on this creep Mike.
Mark Poore Slatyfork, WV
dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello Mike and fellow CRers,
You are absolutely correct Mike. Mr. Todd is not to be trusted under any circumstances. His MO is to build your trust through mutual interests, he tells of his "inside" contacts and the money is exchanged........ I had a dealing with him regarding having a Taylor Tourist and Rann built. He was the middleman between Norman and me. He packed both frames together with one sheet of bubble wrap between the two as the only source of protection. The two frames arrived damaged with lots of scratches, dents and a kinked seatstay. UPS refused to cover the costs of damage due to insufficent packing. Mr. Todd agreed to pay for repair and paint, but very soon afterward, he disappeared, not to answer any phone calls, emails or letters. So please, do yourselves a favor and avoid this guy!!!
Regards, Dave Martinez Fremont Ca Raining and windy
hersefan@comcast.net wrote: Hi folks,
For those not aware of this, a few years back a person named Brian Todd ran a few scams against the vintage lightweight community. Evil deeds included claiming to be an importer for Alex Singer bikes (which he wasn't) and then running with about 10K in funds from an unsuspecting Japanese dealer.
After that, he formed a Rene Herse oriented newsgroup with make believe people which sucked in folks such as myself, Jan Heine, and our own Dale Brown. Eventually it was discovered that the group was false and just in time - one of Japan's greatest bike dealers was contemplating a trip to the states to visit this no-goodnick - who's shop at the time was constantly being hyped by the make believe people.
Well, Brian Todd dissappeared but has now reappeared in the vintage mountain bike community. Reports of evil deeds include shill bids and junky frames repainted and then passed off as NOS fancy esoteric stuff. He uses several names in order to facilitate shill bids and to keep a clean ebay record. The current account on ebay is vtgmtb. Interestingly, it is spotless, but only because he has built it up most recently after using it for shills.
Some folks have had good transactions from him, but then he does an nasty deed and moves on. He sometimes sells french oriented goodies and other vintage lightweight stuff.
So everyone beware - this guy is as bad as it gets.
Mike Kone in Boulder CO
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:08:50 -0700 From: Duane Kennard <d.kennard@adelphia.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Sapim Spokes...? Message-ID: <BFC60010-224D-11D9-9A1B-000A95984962@adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: <41736DD7.F39B6306@earthlink.net> References: <41736DD7.F39B6306@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5
Hey all,
Any opinions of SAPIM spokes...? Good, bad, ugly?
Thanks!
Cheers,
Duane Kennard
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:43:56 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Campagnolo wide clamp vs. narrow clamp date... Message-ID: <4175FAF2.F378C5AF@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 6
Anyone have an idea when the Campagnolo down tube shifters and the bottom bracket quide went from the narrow to the wide clamp?
Here's a picture of the narrow variety:
http://www.velostuf.com/
Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California http://www.velo-retro.com (Campagnolo Timeline)
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:05:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: richard cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> Cc: Keith Helon <keith362@juno.com> Cc: Tom Sanders <tsan7759142@comcast.net> Subject: [CR]Velo Swap in Chicago Message-ID: <20041020050556.87163.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7
Just wondering who from the CR will be attending the Velo Swap in Chicago on the Saturday 30th. I'll be attending and plan to meet CR members, David Cooper, Richard Cielic and hopefully Tom Sanders, as well as cycling friend Keith Helon.
Peter Naiman Alias Hetchinspete 4420 North Ardmore Avenue Shorewod, WI 53211-1418
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:20:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Velo Swap information Message-ID: <20041020052004.20851.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8
I had heard from a friend earlier this week that they couldn't find much information on the Velo Swap in Chicago. For full information you can click on the URL below.
http://www.veloswap.com/
Peter Naiman Alias Hetchinspete 4420 North Ardmore Avenue Shorewod, WI 53211-1418
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:51:11 -0700 From: "Jan Johnson" <picabo58@earthlink.net> To: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Velo Swap in Chicago Message-ID: <NFBBKNHNALLDDHLDEMLPMEFBFEAA.picabo58@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <20041020050556.87163.qmail@web61310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
Peter Naiman wrote: Just wondering who from the CR will be attending the Velo Swap in Chicago on the Saturday 30th. I'll be attending and plan to meet CR members, David Cooper, Richard Cielic and hopefully Tom Sanders, as well as cycling friend Keith Helon. - - -
Jan Johnson will be IN THE HOUSE! That's right! Just bought my airline tix today. I'll bring a few wool jerseys and sweaters along with me, so bring your CASH. Still have some MASI sweaters and SAN FRANCISCO WHEELMEN jerseys, plus some other cool garments, all made of luxurious 100% Merino wool, in Italy. No itch/no scratch/easy-care/and molto bellisima! I'll be at the Odeum Sports & Expo Center on Friday afternoon: assigning booths, helping folks get set up, directing traffic, etc. VeloSwap opens at 9:00am.
Jan Johnson Portola Valley, CA
VeloSwap Denver - October 23rd VeloSwap Chicago - October 30th VeloSwap San Francisco - November 13th http://www.veloswap.com
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:50:58 -0500 From: "brian blum" <bbspokes@lycos.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Rigida 13-19 13-20 Message-ID: <20041020055058.39B19CA06C@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10
I thought the 13-19 was the rim without the hook for an aramid beaded tire =
and the 13-20 was the slightly wider redesign with the hook bead for foldin=
g tires. I weighted 145-155 lbs in the 70's 80's 90's and I still use thes=
e rims regularly. I have dented them but that is due to underinflation and =
a narrow tire. I have never had a problem with these with a wider tire and =
proper pressure. These were the lightest 630-622 mm clincher rim that I am =
familiar with. Brian Blum in Berkeley
--=20
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:56:48 -0400 From: greg arnold <greg@nofatcomm.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Masi come and gone! Message-ID: <BD9B7660.A524%greg@nofatcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11
Anyone know what happened to the two tone Masi on Ebay?
(sounds like the beginning of a joke - will entertain any good punch lines too!)
Greg Arnold nyc
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:59:51 -0400 From: greg arnold <greg@nofatcomm.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Regina drilled oro chains Message-ID: <BD9B7717.A525%greg@nofatcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12
Does anyone know what year approx. the drilled regina oro chains were introduced? Thank you! (archives didn=B9t help me)
Greg Arnold nyc
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:39:37 -0700 From: Jay Sexton <jvs@sonic.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Want a good laugh? Message-ID: <41760829.3010309@sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODHFnwpGR88000004de@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODHFnwpGR88000004de@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13
Hey gang,
Check out this e-bay auction and find the 'doh'! If I didn't see it with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed it. This is definitely off topic and will stop here, but I hope Dale will humor me. This is a hoot! If you have any comments reply to me off list so as to not take up list space. I just had to share this.
Jay Sexton Sebastopol, CA
http://ebay.com/
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:43:50 +0200 From: "Feeken, Dirk" <dirk.feeken@sap.com> To: "'Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org'" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]The Holy Grail - Eddy's Colnago Message-ID: <549AC3FBE87C224DAD79BABF27051D6D0105D482@dewdfe10.wdf.sap.corp> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14
Last week I managed to visit a very old bicycle shop whose owner has an =
interesting collection of old bikes according to rumors I've heard =
years ago.=20
Unfortunately the old gentleman, probably in his 80s, told me that he =
has moved all the bikes to his home and almost nothing is left in the =
shop. But an orange bike hanging at the wall in a dark corner caught my =
attention. A Colnago Super with Nouvo Record components and Molteni =
colors in pretty good shape. And yes - it is the original Colnago =
ridden by Eddy Merckx. He got the bike from Eddy himself in the early =
70s. =20
Besides the very clean lugwork the most unusual feature is the mount of =
the front brake. The slotted washer which holds the brake spring is =
brazed directly to the fork crown and the whole brake is fixed without =
a visible nut. I assume the brake axle was shortened and fixed inside =
the fork crown to save a few grams. I tried to take some photos but the =
bike was fixed to the wall:
http://home.t-online.de/
In the shop I also found K=FCbler's original Tebag from the fifties, a = completely gold plated (unlabeled) french beauty (Mafac, Simplex SLJ, = Campagnolo mix), obviously made by one of the great constructeurs, and = three NOS unridden gems: 80s Koga Myata Full Pro with Dura Ace AX, a = top of the line 1980 SR equipped celeste Bianchi and a very early = Colnago with NR components. Yes all three completely NOS unridden and = with the original price tags hanging at the bars (but not for sale) =20
Dirk
BTW: Sorry that I don't name the shop or owner, but his bikes are not = for sale and he made clear that he don't want to be bothered by calls = of collectors. Ernest Colnago tries to get the Merckx Colnago from him = for years.=20
-- Dirk Feeken Heidelberg Germany ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:24:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Poore <rauler83@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Lance Armstrong's Personal Travel/Training Frame Set from 1994-1996 Message-ID: <20041020112412.28220.qmail@web50010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15
Some how I came across this ended auction and then checked the archives and
didn't find anything. Sorry if it was brought up and I missed it.
http://ebay.com/
Mark Poore Slatyfork, WV
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:33:00 -0400 From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net> To: Duane Kennard <d.kennard@adelphia.net>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Sapim Spokes...? Message-ID: <007a01c4b690$2cad0960$6400a8c0@jfbender> References: <41736DD7.F39B6306@earthlink.net> <BFC60010-224D-11D9-9A1B-000A95984962@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 16
Fair. I have only built a couple of sets of spokes with them and it was a number of years ago. The single butted spokes with the heavier guage at the hub are a good idea I suppose. The threading is not as good as DT or top Japanese spokes. So they bind a little more than necessary when you are building the wheel. No breakages but I don't know if I ride any one set of wheels enough to evaluate the endurance of spokes anymore.
Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ
>
> Hey all,
>
> Any opinions of SAPIM spokes...? Good, bad, ugly?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Duane Kennard
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:57:55 -0400 From: Jamie Swan <jswan@optonline.net> To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]WTB: Record 151mm chainring -- 51 tooth Message-ID: <BD9BCB03.436E%jswan@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <41759ED0.24FB53B3@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 17
on 10/19/04 7:10 PM, Chuck Schmidt at chuckschmidt@earthlink.net wrote:
> Anyone have a 51 tooth Record 151mm bolt circle chainring they can sell
> me? These were made from 1958 till 1968...
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> .
> _______________________________________________
Sorry Chuck,
I don't have the chainring you're after.
I just wanted to mention that 51 was the preferred chainring for roller racing. 51 x 14 with an average tire will nail the 303" roll-out restriction.
I suspect that in inch pitch days the biggest gear that guys would have was a 25 x 7 and the tires were fatter then, so it rolled out to 303". Any other theories where the 303" came from?
Regards, Jamie Swan - Northport, N.Y.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:18:58 GMT From: "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com> To: greg@nofatcomm.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Masi come and gone! Message-ID: <20041020.051936.572.64164@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18
yeah.
some zealot/zealots complained to ebay that the text
was misleading because the confente-being-already-dead
issue made the description farcical. ebay pulled it
on behalf of the mass - or should i say "masses".
e-RICHIE
chester, ct
Anyone know what happened to the two tone Masi on Ebay?
(sounds like the beginning of a joke - will entertain any good punch lines too!)
Greg Arnold nyc
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