[CR]Re: Me "calling a spade a spade"/Brian Baylis message

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From: <"richardsachs@juno.com">
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:33:13 GMT
To: OROBOYZ@aol.com
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Re: Me "calling a spade a spade"/Brian Baylis message

dale. first things first - i love you and admire your stewardship of this list. i think bb pulled a boner-slash-honest-mistake by posting your offlist mail to the list. you can't unring the bell... however - i'm miffed at some of the text and i'm also tired and bored with this attitude that something is awry if a modern builder uses modern parts in the classic way, as if it's "cheating" to choose these in the frame's manufacture. what the hell is a classic? if the builders that are revered on the cr list timeline never stopped making those "vintage-ish" frames in lieu of the non-ferrous stuff they now offer, they'd surely not have continued with 1" top tubes and r.o.r. chainstays. folks here lament 27 hours a day for stuff they can't get or wish was still available, and a guy like dario comes along and does a great job re-issueing his vision of a modern and classic frame. where is the problem? that he embellishes it with some superlatives? that he actually markets the model and makes note of some rare supplies? perhaps it's a difference of culture. what is wrong with a little spin? retailers do it. importers do it. there's an avenue in nyc that specializes in it. it's not a crime nor is it insidious! i wish dario well and i hope he prospers with a lugged frame. if he does, and maybe even if he doesn't, perhaps other mainstream builders will attempt their own version of a classic. i see no downside to this. oh - and i don't believe that the real VINTAGE framebuilders are on the verge of extinction. my apologies for being so forthright about this; i think better i air my views here than to go offlist with it.
chester, ct

-- OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote:

Ha! Some of you may have thought you missed something.... which you did!

In his recent message to this list, Brian was responding to a private e-mail I copied him from weeks ago about an off topic frame a friend was buying.

He just dorked out and responded to the whole crew.... I had expounded on what I thought was the hot lick and "the true way" of aesthetics, style and mojo, including KOF builders like Mssrs. Baylis, Sachs, Kvale, Gordon, Litton, Johnson, etc, and NOT the famous named but made other places frames/bikes. Highly opinionated, probably in the spirit of what most of you would agree on, but nonetheless OT.

At least that's my story and I am sticking to it. Dale

Dale Brown cycles de ORO, Inc. 1410 Mill Street Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 336-274-5959 fax 336-274-6360 <A HREF="http://www.cyclesdeoro.com">cyclesdeORO.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.classicrendezvous.com./main.htm">ClassicRendezvous.com</A>