Re: [CR]Classic - Paramount/Teledyne/Peugoet - Teledyne discussion

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From: "Steve Neago" <>
To: "ternst" <>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Classic - Paramount/Teledyne/Peugoet - Teledyne discussion
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:56:54 -0500

I acquired a Teledyne that had a cracked derailleur hanger and was able to have the frame repaired with fabricated parts. I was able to have several custom cut Ti 6-4 duplicate hangers made that very closely match the original. These patterns were obtained from OEM Teledyne blueprints.

As far as forks, Teledyne forks were originally referred to as "suicide forks" by the industry at that time. Teledyne issued a product recall where I believe the replacement fork was made of steel (can anyone confirm this?) I retain the original Teledyne suicide fork.

I have also scanned the original Teledyne decals into a computer format if anyone needs them...

Regards, Steve Neago
Cincinnati, OH

----- Original Message -----
From: ternst
To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos

<>; <> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [CR]Classic - Paramount/Teledyne/Peugoet

> Re: Teledyne: We sold quite a few, and as they got ridden it seemed that
> bigger guys indeed had some breakage. It seemed at about 30k miles and then
> usually fork tips at weld broke, or at the seat cluster some cracked. When
> Teledyne still had tooling they fixed them. After they sold the tooling I
> think a guy in Pasadena had some of it or was connected and he did the
> service for several years, and then it was over. But they were repairable
> Ted Ernst.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos" <>
> To: "Gary Hom" <>; <>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Classic - Paramount/Teledyne/Peugoet
> > You're right about the Peugeot. Top model French bikes are, IMHO, greatly
> > underpriced, perhaps because people are afraid of French thread. So the
> > value of riding it probably greatly exceeds what you could sell it for.
> > Of the other two, the Paramount is more collectable, particularly since it
> > is NOS as is the gruppo. It seems one usually does better selling parts
> > and frame separately than the assembled bike. If the frame is a prime
> > size, I'd think you could get $1500 to maybe $2000 total on eBay for the
> > gruppo and frame sold separately. The Teledyne is not as valuable, partly
> > becasue it is used, but also because of the breakage problems. It seems
> > the market for very good to excellent condition used complete Teledynes is
> > $500 to $600, which is what I paid for mine a few years ago. I've had no
> > problem with the Teledyne, which has the original Ti fork. But I'm not a
> > heavy rider, about 165 lbs, and the original owner was a woman, so perhaps
> > the cracking was more prevalent with
> > 200+ lbs riders.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> > Houston, TX
> >
> > Gary Hom <> wrote:
> > Have a delima: Getting back to bicycling with my children all riding now.
> >
> > Been thinking about putting back together my road classics to ride.
> >
> > Teledyne Titan with all of the parts I raced it with in the 70's and
> > 80's upgrades
> > Shimano Crane/Dura Ace, Phil Wood Hubs with Fiamme Red Lables
> > All friction shifted with updated brakes (Gray Modolo)
> > I even have the Teledyne Titanium Spindle
> >
> > Paramount 50th Anniversary that was purchased as a gift for me back in 88.
> > Never Built but have a 50th Anniversary Campy Group I got to put on it.
> > With Mavic rims GEL 280's
> >
> > Peugeot Champion du Monde early 80's all 531 with a collection of
> > parts from the mid 80's that was a garage cleanup. Not much value in
> > a sale so I might as well keep it and ride it. Anybody here
> > interested in this bike? I can send pictures.
> >
> > Except for the Peugeot which appears to be a possible great classic
> > for riding. I was wondering about the Teledyne and the Paramount.
> >
> > Seen the threads on the Teledyne cracking at the fork and the bottom
> > bracket. I have not ridden the Teledyne since I did Team Triathlons
> > in the 80's.
> > Got it cleaned up with all of the 70's parts ready to put back on.
> > Put a Campy Chorus crank on it back when and lost the Dura Ace.
> > Anybody got a 1st generation Dura Ace to complete the 70 outfitting?
> >
> > Question: Should I be riding this for anything but special events?
> > Is the fork and frame a problem (Vicount Death Fork)? or should I
> > just ride it, enjoy it and remember the rides of my youth...
> >
> > The threads on the Paramount mostly talk about it's collectability.
> >
> > Question: Is it better to leave it unbuilt or put it together to ride
> > with the 50th Campy stuff? Get a 25th anniversary Dura Ace group to
> > put on it to get a modern drivetrain?
> >
> > I have been riding a LiteSpeed Tansi hardtail with full XTR and Cane
> > Creek Wheels and am amazed how much technology has lept ahead over the
> > years this Mountain Bike feels as responsive as my old road bikes and
> > the drive train really works well.
> > Tried a full suspension Mountain Bike and it was too heavy and too
> > much motion from the rear suspension. Hardtail reminds me of my road
> > bike but a bit rough on the trails.
> >
> > I rode a friend's OCLV Trek and was amazed at how light and responsive
> > it was, hence my investigation in either resurrecting my road classics
> > or going to the dark side and getting a more contemporary road machine
> > (Thinking about a used LiteSpeed Ultimate)
> >
> > Thoughts......
> >
> > --
> > Gary Hom
> > Phoenix, Arizona