Re: [CR]french mystery bike - help

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 03:19:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]french mystery bike - help
To: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <20041208053758.98401.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>


The seatstay treatment does indeed look like LeJeune, but most of the high-end Lejeune road bikes I have seen, including my 1973 F-70, have brazeon brake cable stops under the top tube, and often a brazed on rear brake hanger. Also, the long point lugs with heart cutouts are very un-LeJeune, in fact very un-French. I've also never heard of a Lejeune with Gipiemme DOs, unless maybe one of the later South-African made Lejeunes. The lugs are more the Italian style, but French thread pretty much rules out an Italian bike, or a British one. Bertin definitely used lugs similar to this, but Bertin had a pretty distinctive seatstay treatment, which looked nothing like this. Some late Follis's may also have had this lugwork, but again the seatstays don't seem right. Of course this could be a more obscure French marque we've never heard of, but I'm guessing Belgian.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Houston, TX

Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> wrote: Kim, I would not rule out that this is a French bicycle! It looks very much like a road version of my LeJeune track bike, which I believe was the output of some contract builder in Saint Etienne. Note the similar lug and seatstay tretment: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/fred_rednor/album?.dir=7b39 Also, for me the front Huret dropouts and Simplex shifter bosses would indicate a French bicycle. The same goes for that cable stop "widget" at the rear dropout. Then again, without any markings, who can say? One thing I would add is that many decent quality French bikes used adhesive stickers rather than decals, so the lack of markings under the second layer of paint might also hint to French origins. I suppsoe this is another puzzle to be solved when the messiah comes. Don't hold your breath... Best regards, Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
> Hmm, French threading but Gipiemme rear DOs and more "Italian
> style" long point lugs. Makes you wonder if maybe this
> isn't French at all, but some other nation that used French
> thread. That would probably be Belgium, Spain or
> Switzerland. This is not Zeus or Razesa, so Spain is
> unlikely, and most of the Swiss bikes used fancy Nervex lugs.
> the least "French" of the French bikes was probably Bertin,
> (I think Andre himself may have been Belgian born), and I've
> seen lower end Bertins marked as made in Belgium. But that
> semi-wraparound seat stay doesn't match anything I've ever
> seen on a Bertin. So maybe this is Belgian, Flandria maybe?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
>
>
> kim klakow wrote:
> Howdy Y´all,
>
> anybody have an idea what this might be? It used to be gold
> until it got
> this red paintjob. the fork was gold too and then got it all
> scraped off.
> Threading is french, rear drop-outs are Gipiemme, front
> Huret. nicely
> wrapped stays. Might these be a give-away. Simple shifter
> braze-on.
> I don´t think it is top of the line tubing, but not all bad.
>
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/akimbo1971/album?.dir=/2713
>
> To aid you francophiles, ....
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>
> Kim "Marianne" Klakow
> Berlin, East France
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