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> 1. Mystery bike- now Fiorelli (Norris Lockley)
> 2. Re: Accles & Pollock was help with a Hobbs (Duncan Granger)
> (kohl57@starpower.net)
> 3. Now: Gran Sport derailleur Was: Fiorelli (Chuck Schmidt)
> 4. Help with Hobbs (Norris Lockley)
> 5. Re: Nervar star cranks (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
> 6. Re: help with a Hobbs
> 7. cycling in So. Arizona (Peter Koskinen)
> 8. Re: Nervar star cranks (Donald Gillies)
> 9. RE: Now: Masi province code Was: city letter code
> (Fred Rafael Rednor)
> 10. Those NOS Campagnolo Electa saddles on E-bay (Tom Sanders)
> 11. Campy Nuovo Tipo Pista/bmx hubs sighted at LBS (Steve Kurt)
> 12. For Sale (Doug Smith)
> 13. RE: Now: Masi province code Was: city letter code (nick zatezalo)
> 14. Items for sale (Doug Smith)
> 15. Nervar Star Crankset ... 2 (Donald Gillies)
> 16. Masi province code slash city letter code (richardsachs@juno.com)
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:02:05 -0000
> From: "Norris Lockley" <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Mystery bike- now Fiorelli
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> Thanks Chuck for pointing out the fragility of my mental powers... must =
> be the Alzheimers kicking in early.
> Yes you are quite right of course that Ferdi Kubler won the T-de-F ..in =
> 1950.. that's why I went out and bought my first Super Corsa, with =
> nickel-plated main tubes and a dark-blue head panel... and Simplex =
> gears.
>
> my mistake stemmed from a superb photo of Kubler streaking along "on the =
> hooks" of his Fiorelli, on the cover page of an early 50s Fiorelli =
> brochure. The credits say... and I wasn't thinking too brightly when I =
> quoted "Ferdy Kubler, The Ace Fiorelli Rider, winner of the T-de-F, =
> second Tour of Switzerland" so I must assume that the undated catalogue =
> is perhaps 151, or 2 or 3 .. and that Fiorelli are basking in Kubler' s =
> glories from his days with Frejus.
>
> The Libellula tubing was used on the Tour de France model, in D/B form, =
> with a variety of FALK A or B being used on all other models except the =
> Campione del Mondo which used Columbus D/B (was Kubler a Campione del =
> Mondo?). This frame used Campag. fork ends, while all the other frames =
> used Agrati, with or without hanger, to choice. Bearings throughout were =
> always
> GNUTTI, as were chainsets.
>
> The colour I described as "flamboyant orange" is aclled "Amber Flam" in =
> the brochure.
>
> To help date the brochure.. it launches the new Campagnolo Gran Sport =
> rear mech - the one with the drilled jockey wheels. When did this come =
> out?
>
> Norris Lockley.. eating humble pie.. Settle UK
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> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:18:15 -0500
> From: "kohl57@starpower.net" <kohl57@starpower.net>
> To: frameteam2003@yahoo.com, dgranger@comcast.net,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] Accles & Pollock was help with a Hobbs (Duncan Granger)
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>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: sam lingo frameteam2003@yahoo=2Ecom
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:46:44 -0800 (PST)
> To: dgranger@comcast=2Enet, classicrendezvous@bikelist=2Eorg
> Subject: Re: [CR]help with a Hobbs (Duncan Granger)
>
>
>
> A&P history: http://www=2Eaccles=2Eco=2Euk/
>
> sam lingo,pleasanton tx
>
>
> Gosh, is there is nothing that's not explained on the internet?
>
> This is fascinating but the time-line doesn't even mention cycle tubing
or=
>
> when they phased it out=2E I am certain Hilary Stone explained all this,
> quite possibly in one of his erudite eBay listings=2E Someone should get
s=
> ome
> web space together just to store all of his splendid pix and
information=2E=
> =20
>
> It's telling that our friends at Tube Investments apparently owned BOTH
> Reynolds and Accles & Pollock so they most likely eventually settled on
> which one should get the cycle tubing trade=2E =20
>
> The biggest question is: did Accles & Pollock seat tube transfers
> self-destruct like Reynolds ones do? That would be my major criteria for
> choosing one over the other=2E
>
> Peter Kohler
> Washington, DC USA
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> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:21:29 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Now: Gran Sport derailleur Was: Fiorelli
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> Norris Lockley wrote:
> >
> (snip)
> > my mistake stemmed from a superb photo of Kubler streaking along "on the
hooks" of his Fiorelli, on the cover page of an early 50s Fiorelli brochure.
> (snip)
> > To help date the brochure.. it launches the new Campagnolo Gran Sport
rear mech - the one with the drilled jockey wheels. When did this come out?
>
>
>
> Here's the pertinent development years for the Gran Sport rear
> derailleur from the Campagnolo Timeline (www.velo-retro.com):
>
> 1951 - The Gran Sport single cable, parallelogram rear derailleur
> (chromed bronze, large chromed mounting bolt and pivot bolt and holes in
> pulleys, set screw-style cable clamp) paired with bar-end shift levers
> (chromed bronze, then aluminum) without rubber covers and Gran Sport
> sliding rod, cable operated front derailleur are introduced, along with
> conventional small flange three-piece hubs (alloy flanges pressed onto a
> steel barrel and D-ring type quick release nuts). Hugo Koblet wins the
> 1951 Tour de France in July using Gran Sport derailleurs.
>
> 1951 Catalog Un-Numbered (both Cognin, France and Vincenza, Italy
> addresses on cover) is printed for year-end trade shows.
> Included are the Cambio Corsa, Tipo Paris-Roubaix, Gran Sport front and
> rear derailleurs, Sport front derailleur (no rear version), bar end
> shifters (no rubber covers) and downtube shift levers (twin band clamp,
> hexhead bolt friction adjuster, full length cable housing and braze on
> version shown), small flange three-piece hubs (alloy flanges pressed
> onto a steel barrel, QRs with "D" ring), Cambio Corsa/Paris-Roubaix
> toothed dropouts, Cambio Corsa/ Paris-Roubaix with integral derailleur
> hanger, Gran Sport dropouts with adjusters, Sport dropouts, "H" tool,
> dishing tool, freewheel remover, cone wrenches and a fixture that
> accurately locates the toothed dropouts during frame building.
>
> 1952 - The Gran Sport Extra rear derailleur (second generation of Gran
> Sport) is introduced (changed body, large chromed mounting bolt and
> pivot bolt, holes in pulleys, extended horn shape to the outside pulley
> cage frame and revised cable clamp) along with the Sport single pulley
> rear derailleur. The Gran Sport down-tube shift levers are changed to
> single band clamp with flat-head screw friction adjusters, open cable
> without housing ("D" ring friction adjuster screw as option). Fausto
> Coppi wins the 1952 Giro d'Italia and Tour de France using Gran Sport
derailleurs.
>
> 1952 Catalog Un-Numbered is printed for year-end trade shows.
> As per 1951 Catalog with the addition of the Gran Sport Extra rear
> derailleur and the Sport single pulley rear derailleur.
>
> 1953 - In August the definitive Gran Sport rear derailleur (third
> generation of Gran Sport) is introduced: changed body, pulley cage
> reverts to first version, no holes in pulleys, smaller black-
> three-piece hubs (alloy flanges pressed onto a steel barrel) are
> introduced. Fausto Coppi wins the 1953 Lugano World Professional Road
> Race using Gran Sport derailleurs.
>
> 1953 Catalog #12 is printed for the year-end trade shows.
> Included are the Cambio Corsa, Paris-Roubaix, Gran Sport and Sport rear
> derailleurs, Gran Sport and Sport front derailleurs, bar end shifters
> with rubber covers, downtube shifters (single band and braze on
> versions), brake cable clips, hubs (small and large flange three-piece,
> QRs with "D" ring), Gran Sport dropouts with adjusters, Sport dropouts,
> Cambio Corsa/Paris-Roubaix toothed dropouts, Cambio Corsa/Paris-Roubaix
> toothed dropouts with integral derailleur hanger, pump heads and holder,
> "H" tool, dishing tool, freewheel remover and cone wrenches.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
> http://www.velo-retro.com (Timelines, reprints & t-shirts)
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:29:18 -0000
> From: "Norris Lockley" <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Help with Hobbs
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> If that frame had been a 21 or 22" instead of a 23/24" you wouldn't have =
> got away with it at the price you did! I was bidding against you and was =
> surprised that there was so little interest paticularly for a frame on =
> the larger rather than smaller size.
> Hobbs is one make of frame I have difficulties getting hold of in my =
> small size. I've had a couple of 24" lugless Hobbs with Campag Corsa =
> rear drop-outs, a 23" lugless curved seat-tube frame.. and have recently =
> sold on a 24" Blue Riband.
> I suppose the shortage of smaller frames, if you will pardon the pun, is =
> due to the fact that in the 40/50s we all tended to ride bigger frames =
> with the saddle just about resting on the top-tube.
>
> In a similar vein.. I wondered why no on bid on the 23" Claude Butler =
> Avant Coureur that finished its auction this morning with an winning bid =
> of =A350 for frame and fork. Are Claudes not popular in the States?
>
> Norris Lockley.. wondering if the Japanese buyers might buy my Claudes.. =
> Settle UK
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> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:48:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: Vladislav Luskin <vladluskin@yahoo.com>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Nervar star cranks
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> I have a couple of these. They were late 60's to mid or late 70's I
think, roughly the same era as the Stronglight 93. These had a unique 128
BCD bolt circle that would theoretically take a 38T small ring. Not sure
I've ever seen a 38T Nervar ring, but you used to see 40T around. I and one
or two other CR Francophiles like this crank and rank it equal to TA and
Stronglight 93, except the availability and selection of rings isn't as
good. In the 80's, near the end, Nervar put out some more "aero" cranks
that don't seem as well made. Ironically, some of the last Nervar cranks
switched to the 122 BCD Stronglight bolt circle - at about the same time
Stronglight was switching to the Campy 144 BCD bolt circle with Model 106 -
at about the same time Campy was switching to 135 BCD with C-record.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
> Vladislav Luskin <vladluskin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> During what years were Nervar Star cranks made and what is the consensus
of their quality? Thank you.
>
> Vlad Luskin
> SFCA
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:54:00 +0000
> From: gpvb1@comcast.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] help with a Hobbs
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> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:31:48 +0000
> From: dgranger@comcast.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]help with a Hobbs (Duncan Granger)
>
> <snip>
>
>
> A history question: Hobbs used two types of tubing: Reynolds 531 and
Accles and Pollock Kromo. Accles and Pollock was apparently a TI company.
I guess they started as competitors? When did Raleigh buy TI? I've never
heard of Accles and Pollock Kromo tubing before, but apparently it was
thought to be as nice as 531... Wonder what ever became of it?
>
> So how about it? Any Hobbs experts out there willing to share their
wisdom
> regarding my new (old) frame?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Duncan Granger
> Lancaster, PA
>
> Hi Duncan:
>
> T.I. (Tube Investments) bought Raleigh, not the other way 'round. That's
why it was called T.I. Raleigh.... There was money in them thar' tubes!
(Making bikes is a tougher way to make a profit!).
>
> I'm not sure exactly when this happened. 1970-ish maybe? Anyone have an
accurate date? I was at Raleigh in 1979-1980, and it had been T.I. for some
time by then, I think.
>
> Greg Parker
> Dexter, Michigan
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:08:12 -0500
> From: "Peter Koskinen" <peter@prkbikes.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]cycling in So. Arizona
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> Listees,
>
>
>
> I will be spending the better part of next week and the week after in So.
> Arizona below Tuscon and would like to know if any of the members that
live
> in that area can tell me anything about the road and off road riding in
that
> area. Please contact me directly at Peter@prkbikes.com
>
>
>
> Happy Hollerdays
>
>
>
> Peter Koskinen
>
> Chapel Hill, NC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:13:58 -0800 (PST)
> From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Nervar star cranks
> Message-ID: <200412162113.NAA02124@cascade.cs.ubc.ca>
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>
> I have been collecting the cranks that shipped on Raleigh Competitions
> (just about ANYTHING might ship on a Raleigh Competition, see below.)
>
> Nervar Star
> Stronglight 93
> TA Professional
> Campagnolo GS
> Zeus Competition (dont have one yet)
>
> Among the cranks that i have, I'd probably rate Nervar Star the lowest
> in build quality / aesthetic. Also, I'd rate the TA Professional as
> follows : HOLY SHIT ITS FREAKEN LIGHT !!! Ok, enough of that.
>
> For that 38T or 40T ring you never had for your 128 bcd Nervar Star, a
> few minutes with a dremel on a 130 bcd ring (take off 1 mm per hole)
> is rumored to work wonders ... This it the greatest advantage of this
> crank.
>
> >From a price standpoint, I've seen a lot of really cheap nervar cranks
> on ebay since nobody knows what they are. Most are the steel sport
> model (nervar star compatible) and steel 3-arm models. From a spare
> parts standpoint, i rate this as a difficult crank to find spare parts
> for, because (a) The dust caps say "Nervar", (b) The chainring bolts
> say "Nervar", and (c) The 128 bcd rings were made by nobody else (SR?)
> and are out of production. Stronglight still makes 122 bcd rings, and
> modern stronglight rings can go on a stronglight 93 without disrupting
> "the great look".
>
> If you absolutely cannot find chainrings, HighPath Engineering in 2003
> quoted 60 pounds sterling + 15 pounds shipping for one 40-54T full
> custom chainring.
>
> - Don Gillies
> San Diego, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:22:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Now: Masi province code Was: city letter code
> Message-ID: <20041216212246.84707.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Amici,
> Will the "Masi-holics" be heart broken if some of the
> subcontractors turn out to be guys (Giuseppi?) you never heard
> of before?
> I mean, there used to be hundreds of skilled frame builders
> in Italy and there may still be. I really wonder if you can
> know for sure who built a Masi frame that was constructed in a
> subcontractor's shop.
> Ciao,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
>
> > And which sub-contractor can be assigned to each city? In
> > particular -
> > Bergamo.
> >
> > Jerry, B541 '73 Masi GC, Corcoran
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chuck Schmidt [mailto:chuckschmidt@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:13 AM
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]Now: Masi province code Was: city letter code
> >
> >
> > Some of the letter codes:
> >
> > M = Milano
> > V = Verona
> > B = Bergamo
> > GR = Grosseto
> > A = ?
> > P = ?
> > AV = ?
> >
> > Anyone care to correct/complete the above?
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, Southern California
> >
> > .
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:32:19 -0500
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Those NOS Campagnolo Electa saddles on E-bay
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>
> I just got the brown one I bought. Wow! This is one beautiful saddle!
> Comes in a cool box I haven't seen before, too. If they come up again,
I'd
> sure recommend grabbing one for that super low price while you can. Wish
> mine were black. I have had the red/maroon one and I think the saddle
looks
> better in brown and would be killer in black.
> I see someone is already reselling them with a $97 or so "Buy it now"
price.
> Ah, Free Enterprise!
> Tom Sanders
> Lansing, Mi
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:39:59 -0600
> From: Steve Kurt <kurtsj@mtco.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Campy Nuovo Tipo Pista/bmx hubs sighted at LBS
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> Hi gang,
>
> I took today as a vacation day, and stopped in a small LBS while out
> riding. Hadn't been in there before, and had a nice chat with the
> fellow behind the counter about vintage-ish stuff (I was riding an
> "I-bob" bike; custom fillet brazed frame with SunTour/Campy/Shimano bits
> from '89).
>
> Somewhere in the conversation, he went to the back room and pulled out a
> set of old Campy track hubs, still in the box! They had the round holes
> in the flange typical of the Nuovo Tipo hubs. Didn't notice the marking
> on the barrel. Most interesting was the box, which was the standard
> "mozzi pista" or whatever, but had "BMX" stamped onto the side in large
> letters. Musta been when Campy was making the anodized Record cranks
> for the BMX market too, eh?
>
> Interestingly, I'm not sure that he wants to actually sell the hubs. He
> did mention that a fella came into the shop, and made some comments
> about the small shop that weren't received as compliments. The fella
> was interested in the hubs, offering a blank check for them, but by that
> time the guy behind the counter was too insulted to consider selling to
> this guy.
>
> I guess the lesson is: be sure to visit your local shops, be on good
> terms with them, and you may be introduced to all sorts of treasures and
> opportunities!
>
> Steve Kurt
> Peoria, IL
> (and I picked up a couple of surprisingly nice Trek stainless bottle
> cages while I was there)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:42:51 -0000
> From: "Doug Smith" <doug@kingsweir.plus.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]For Sale
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> Hello Members,
> As I am gradually changing all my bikes to British components I now have =
> a very nice Durax single chainwheel and crank set for sale. Newly =
> chromed with 6 1/2" fluted cranks. =A380-00 GBP plus postage and =
> packing at cost. Plus P/P at cost.
> Also for sale , not for my requirements. A BSA steel chrome 5 pin double =
> chainwheel set 48T/52T including fixing screws.=A340-00 GBP. Plus P/P =
> at cost.
> Pictures are available on request but no time wasters please.
> Thank you=20
> Doug Smith
> North Dorset
> England=20
> UK=20
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:49:29 -0500
> From: "nick zatezalo" <nickzz@mindspring.com>
> To: "Fred Rafael Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Now: Masi province code Was: city letter code
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>
> AND would you not want your Masi any more...IF it were made by Antonio
> Sumgai??????????
>
> Nick Zatezalo
> Atlanta,Ga
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Date: 12/16/2004 4:23:06 PM
> > Subject: RE: [CR]Now: Masi province code Was: city letter code
> >
> > Amici,
> > Will the "Masi-holics" be heart broken if some of the
> > subcontractors turn out to be guys (Giuseppi?) you never heard
> > of before?
> > I mean, there used to be hundreds of skilled frame builders
> > in Italy and there may still be. I really wonder if you can
> > know for sure who built a Masi frame that was constructed in a
> > subcontractor's shop.
> > Ciao,
> > Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
> >
> > > And which sub-contractor can be assigned to each city? In
> > > particular -
> > > Bergamo.
> > >
> > > Jerry, B541 '73 Masi GC, Corcoran
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chuck Schmidt [mailto:chuckschmidt@earthlink.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:13 AM
> > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > Subject: [CR]Now: Masi province code Was: city letter code
> > >
> > >
> > > Some of the letter codes:
> > >
> > > M = Milano
> > > V = Verona
> > > B = Bergamo
> > > GR = Grosseto
> > > A = ?
> > > P = ?
> > > AV = ?
> > >
> > > Anyone care to correct/complete the above?
> > >
> > > Chuck Schmidt
> > > South Pasadena, Southern California
> > >
> > > .
> > >
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> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:48:24 -0000
> From: "Doug Smith" <doug@kingsweir.plus.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Items for sale
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> I apoligise as I forgot to mention the Durax and the BSA chainset are at =
> 1/8"th chains on both items.
> Sorry about that!
> Doug Smith
> North Dorset
> England
> UK
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:51:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Nervar Star Crankset ... 2
> Message-ID: <200412162151.NAA04891@cascade.cs.ubc.ca>
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>
> A crankset advertised on Ebay that is supposedly a Nervar Star.
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> I do not believe that it is. I believe these peugeot cranks were made
> by Stronglight. Here are two types of nervar star cranksets.
>
> http://www.bikeville.com/
>
> The first version is a 49bcd / cyclotourist type, which is personified
> in the actual crank in the box (is this the correct box? Note the big
> space for a 5-arm spider that goes unfilled). This crank shipped on
> '76 schwinn voyageurs (just checked the catalogue). The second
> version is the one personified in the picture on outside of the box, a
> regular 128bcd type. I think the second version is more common, and
> its the kind i had and the kind that shipped on raleighs.
>
> The trademark of this crank is the diamond cutout in the arms, and
> spider arms that taper constantly (like late compagnolo gran sports.)
> This diamond cutout area of the arms have a rough surface that is
> difficult to keep clean.
>
> - Don Gillies
> San Diego, CA
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:06:10 GMT
> From: "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Masi province code slash city letter code
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>
> is there a reason people want to know if there's
> a connection with a letter and a city or a letter
> and a hired brazer?
> what is it/are they?
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
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