Re: [CR]re: ebay outing: gios super record..sad

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From: "john barron- velostuf" <jb@velostuf.com>
To: "john barron- velostuf" <jb@velostuf.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]re: ebay outing: gios super record..sad
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:00:19 -0600
reply-type=response
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Peter-

Don't get me wrong... I DON'T approve of clear-cutting rainforests because the wood from the trees yields more than the coffee from shade grown plants yield, or what macadamia nuts yield.

I actually agree with you about breaking up a bike sometimes- it is a damn shame. But ultimately it's a shame because the *market* makes it so, not the dude selling it.

Anyway, thanks for the lively discussion. Certainly no hard feelings. We're all on the same team!

Happy new year to you too!

John Barron
Minneapolis


----- Original Message -----
From: john barron- velostuf
To: "P.C. Kohler"
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]re: ebay outing: gios super record..sad



> Peter-
>
> My point is that if guys like you and me, and most everyone else valued
> complete bikes appropriately high enough, dudes like that eBay guy
> wouldn't ever consider breaking the bike up, really! In other words,
> *everyone* is responsible for this phenomenon.
>
> John Barron
> Minneapolis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@starpower.net>
> To: "john barron- velostuf" <jb@velostuf.com>;
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]re: ebay outing: gios super record..sad
>
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "john barron- velostuf" <jb@velostuf.com>
>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:35 PM
>> Subject: [CR]re: ebay outing: gios super record..sad
>>
>>
>>> There's a reason why the market often times values parts more than the
>>> sum
>>> of the whole bike. It's because folks like you and me make that market.
>>
>>
>> Hmmm... I see an endless and pointless cycle (sorry!) at work here. Avid
>> capitalists take lovely complete bikes strip them into bits and a frame
>> and
>> sell them for the highest price. Avid cycle collectors who cherish this
>> stuff, buy the frame and then scour the market for all the right. parts
>> that
>> were on the bike in the first place!
>>
>> There's an economics lesson here somewhere. But in the end, it's just
>> nice
>> bikes scattered to the wind. And I, for one, sure ain't going to view
>> that
>> with any charity. The people that strip bikes like this can find the cure
>> for cancer and foster stray cats and I still hope they get a thorn in
>> their
>> brand new Veloflex Criterium.
>>
>> And I agree wholeheartedly (wow!) with Chuck Schmidt about "bastardising"
>> classic bikes with modern components. That's almost as teeth-gnashingly
>> awful as parting out a machine in the first place.
>>
>> To sum up: leave the bloody bikes alone!
>>
>> Peter Kohler (who works for a non-profit)
>> Washington DC USA