Re: [CR]ebay outing: gios super record..sad

(Example: Production Builders:Tonard)

From: Donald Gillies <>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:20:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: gios super record..sad

> I imagine turn it into a fine riding bicycle with a mix of modern
> components.

Chuck Schmidt Writes:
>> Now that WOULD be sad. Better to have a KoF new lugged steel frame
>> made and outfitted with current state-of-the-art parts than to
>> bastardize a '78 GIOS with modern components in my opinion.

I disagree strongly with Chuck Schmidt about "bastardizing bikes with modern components". When you buy modern "descendant" components for a frameset, you are destroying the market for people who slice and dice bikes for high profit.

I have a 1974 frame and quite frankly, i don't want to pay $800 through the nose for a 1974 date-matched campy parts grouppo in mediocre condition with rust. My frame was $100 rather than $2500 for a KOF frameset. So I'd buy 2003 aluminum chorus parts on closeout for $500 and run a friction 12 speed with these parts, using one or two retro parts (hubs, pedals.)

When I buy the 2003 parts, I am preventing chop-shop operators from partting out 1974 campy bikes and selling the parts to me (or someone else who would otherwise buy the parts that I would have bid upon and won.)

Thus, what I'm doing actually helps the vintage parts market (perhaps at the expense of the frame market, but there seems to be a surplus of frames vs. parts.) What chuck proposes neither helps nor hurts the vintage market.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA