All this talk about what is proper in a classic "anniversary" frame got me to thinking about Richie's 30th anniversary offering. As I recall, Richie offered to build a classic retro bike, with period correct early 1970s tubing for anyone who wanted one. He showed a blue one at Cirque in, what was it, 2002? I don't recall whether it had loads of braze-ons or not. I'm curious Richie, how many such bikes have been ordered? And, secondly, how many of those orders were from CR listmembers? In other words, are people putting their money where their opinions on this list are? My guess is that if people, including CR Listmembers, are ordering Richard Sachs frames, they are ordering them with his latest tubesets. Lou Deeter, "curious at the end of this old year" in Orlando FL