[CR]Re: SR pulley bolts


Example: Framebuilders:Alex Singer
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:56:30 EST
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Re: SR pulley bolts

In a message dated 12/5/04 10:43:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:27:30 +0000
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> Subject: Re: Re: [CR] Campagnolo SR pulley bolts...
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> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 19:40:08 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] Campagnolo SR pulley bolts...
>
> gpvb1@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> >Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:17:05 -0800
> >From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Subject: Re: [CR] Campagnolo SR pulley bolts...
> >
> >Greg Parker wrote:
> >
> >1978 was the transition year from first-generation to second-generation
> >for the SR rear der.
>
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> >To which e-Chuckie replied:
> >
> >I'd say the year of introduction of the 2nd generation of SR derailleur
> >with script logo would be 1977 not 1978.
> >
> >Campagnolo Timeline http://www.velo-retro.com :
> >1977 Catalog #17a Supplement is printed for the year-end trade shows.
> >Included are a revised Super Record derailleur with script logo and
> >different cage geometry...
>
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> >To which e-Gregie replied:
> >Oooh - I'm 90% sure it was '78. Did you get any responses in the
> affirmative
> for '77 second-gen. ones?
> >Although, it appears I was full of it regarding when the aluminum pivots
> and
> early-type cage went away (it was at least 1979, not 1978, it seems). Sorry
> all.
> My bad.
>
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> To which e-Chuckissimo replied:
> I'm going with the year end trade show introduction date of 1977 until
> someone has info stating otherwise; what are you basing 1978 on?
>
> Whether anyone on the CR list has a "Pat 77" 2nd generation SR
> derailleur or not matters not in the least; at least to me that is.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> Uh, then why did you ask about '77 rears?
> We've discussed umpteen times that Campy catalogs, which were cut-and-pasted
> from old art for decades, were often full of stronzini.....
> Basing your reality on old catalogs is generally not the best way to operate
> IMO. They are fun to look at, and can be great sources of information, but
> are certainly nowhere near definitive, particularly in the Campagnolo case.
> Reality trumps 'em every time. :-)
> Greg "parts is parts" Parker
> Ann Arbor, Michigan
>

I haven't been following this whole thread, but I've got a second-gen patent-78 on my first Davidson racing bike that has been on it since new. It has NR style pulley bolts, not the recessed ones, and aluminum pivot bolts. Does that answer anything? I never thought about it then, but I didn't see one of the earlier ones with titanium bolts until many years later.

Bob Freeman
Seattle