Re: [CR]french mystery bike - help


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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:47:17 -0800 (PST)
From: "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]french mystery bike - help
To: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <20041208150440.19327.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>


Well, you're right, we're just guessing, and there may even have been Italian subcontractors who would thread French at the request of a French customer. My experience with LeJeune is mostly from two 60's and one early 70's road bike which I own, includimg a tandem, and the only thing they have in common with the mystery bike is the seatstays. But later LeJeunes may have been make by different subcontractors, whose shops weren't even necessarily in France. So anything is possible.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Houston, TX

Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> wrote: Jerry, I'm not saying that Kim's frame is definitely French - but don't rule it out based on details like the heart shaped cutouts. In fact, if you look at the photos, you'll see that my Lejeune track bike also has them. Of course, since the frames were made by sub-contractors, you can't really say with complete authority where "French" bicycle like LeJeune were actually built. Cheers, Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
> The seatstay treatment does indeed look like LeJeune, but
> most of the high-end Lejeune road bikes I have seen,
> including my 1973 F-70, have brazeon brake cable stops under
> the top tube, and often a brazed on rear brake hanger. Also,
> the long point lugs with heart cutouts are very un-LeJeune,
> in fact very un-French. I've also never heard of a Lejeune
> with Gipiemme DOs, unless maybe one of the later
> South-African made Lejeunes. The lugs are more the Italian
> style, but French thread pretty much rules out an Italian
> bike, or a British one. Bertin definitely used lugs similar
> to this, but Bertin had a pretty distinctive seatstay
> treatment, which looked nothing like this. Some late
> Follis's may also have had this lugwork, but again the
> seatstays don't seem right. Of course this could be a more
> obscure French marque we've never heard of, but I'm guessing
> Belgian.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
>
>
> Fred Rafael Rednor wrote:
> Kim,
> I would not rule out that this is a French bicycle! It
> looks very much like a road version of my LeJeune track bike,
> which I believe was the output of some contract builder in
> Saint Etienne. Note the similar lug and seatstay tretment:
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/fred_rednor/album?.dir=7b39
> Also, for me the front Huret dropouts and Simplex shifter
> bosses would indicate a French bicycle. The same goes for
> that
> cable stop "widget" at the rear dropout.
> Then again, without any markings, who can say? One thing I
> would add is that many decent quality French bikes used
> adhesive stickers rather than decals, so the lack of markings
> under the second layer of paint might also hint to French
> origins. I suppsoe this is another puzzle to be solved when
> the messiah comes. Don't hold your breath...
> Best regards,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
>
> > Hmm, French threading but Gipiemme rear DOs and more
> "Italian
> > style" long point lugs. Makes you wonder if maybe this
> > isn't French at all, but some other nation that used French
> > thread. That would probably be Belgium, Spain or
> > Switzerland. This is not Zeus or Razesa, so Spain is
> > unlikely, and most of the Swiss bikes used fancy Nervex
> lugs.
> > the least "French" of the French bikes was probably Bertin,
> > (I think Andre himself may have been Belgian born), and
> I've
> > seen lower end Bertins marked as made in Belgium. But that
> > semi-wraparound seat stay doesn't match anything I've ever
> > seen on a Bertin. So maybe this is Belgian, Flandria maybe?
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> > Houston, TX
> >
> >
> >
> > kim klakow wrote:
> > Howdy Y´all,
> >
> > anybody have an idea what this might be? It used to be gold
> > until it got
> > this red paintjob. the fork was gold too and then got it
> all
> > scraped off.
> > Threading is french, rear drop-outs are Gipiemme, front
> > Huret. nicely
> > wrapped stays. Might these be a give-away. Simple shifter
> > braze-on.
> > I don´t think it is top of the line tubing, but not all
> bad.
> >
> > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/akimbo1971/album?.dir=/2713
> >
> > To aid you francophiles, ....
> >
> >
> > Kim "Marianne" Klakow
> > Berlin, East France
> >
> >
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