[CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 14, Issue 111

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From: "Jack Gabus" <jack@shermangabus.com>
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:30:33 -0800
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Subject: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 14, Issue 111

Re: Broomstick

Dear George,

Since you live in LA go to B&B hardware and get an extra long neck drill bit with the wide flange make sure you have the right circumference and drill the stick right out. Or since you live in LA let the termites have at it.. should clean it out rather nicely. Make sure the saw dust is out of the bottom bracket.

Good luck

Jack

Jack Gabus Long Beach 562/426.0118 jack@shermangabus.com

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Query to Hetchins Owners/British wheel questions 2. Re: Speedo drive, was: Faure bicycle (Jan Heine) 3. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 14, Issue 110 4. Re: Query to Hetchins Owners/British wheel questions (kohl57@starpower.net) 5. Re: Tutorial please...on this wild ebay collection of bike stuff (stevens) 6. Willing to wait?? (Grant McLean) 7. Re: gios aero questions 8. The ol' Broom stick in seat tube trick 9. Re: Willing to wait?? (stevens) 10. Re: The ol' Broom stick in seat tube trick (Charlie Young) 11. RE: Willing to wait?? (Feeken, Dirk) 12. Re: Willing to wait?? (Bruce Gordon) 13. Bike Shops in Northern Italy 14. Re: Willing to wait?? (Tom Forhan) 15. Re: Re: [CR]The ol' Broom stick in seat tube trick 16. Re: Bike Shops in Northern Italy 17. Re: Willing to wait??

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:11:45 EST From: Huemax@aol.com To: teaat4p@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Query to Hetchins Owners/British wheel questions Message-ID: <fb.507fe7db.2d70b831@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1

In a message dated 2/26/04 11:11:33 PM, teaat4p@yahoo.com writes:


> I cannot decide on rims for my Hetchins. I', hung up on: round, big hole
> through center, a lot of little holes in the circumferance. Not much of a spec.
>
> May I ask what rims are on your Hetchins and why you chose what you did?
>
>

Hi, Richard,

I am not exactly sure about your question, but I have 1967 Hetchins with "AVA" tubeler rims. These are almost like Mavic Champion Du Monde.

I did not choose those rims, whoever built up the bike did first, and I am taking them over as current owner. I think those are original because considering those facts;

1) The production period is about right time line.

2) British bike buildesr often used those brands (AVA, Mavic) at the time.

3) But I have seen Weinnman also, but not too many Fiamme.

4) I also have seen British guys used 32/40 holes 27-1/4"rims priors to 1970, these are very strong.

I have my question for British bike experts;

A) When are the peak time line for 26-1/4" wheels?

B) Are they ever used for racing?

Thanks,

KEN TODA, High Point, NC, I am late starting due to 10" snow on my driveway!

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:28:23 -0800 From: Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Speedo drive, was: Faure bicycle Message-ID: <a0521067ebc6510877baa@[66.167.139.84]> In-Reply-To: <a05200f04bc64600bc671@[192.168.1.1]> References: <403EA6E9.8040906@erols.com> <a05200f04bc64600bc671@[192.168.1.1]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2

Good eyes, Harvey. Indeed, French speedometers used a rubber band (better quality, of course) as a belt drive to a pulley on the front hub. I suspect this created less drag than a Bowden cable drive, with its 90 degree gear drive at the hub.

Speedometers were somewhat fashionable in the 1930s and 40s. The next VBQ shows a 1930s tandem with one, and I believe Mike Kone has an Alex Singer (1950?) with a speedo attached to a braze-on mount on the fork leg.

It appears that once cars had siphoned off all but the most ardent cyclotourists, speedos and similar gimmicks fell by the wayside. But they were good to impress your friends, like rally stripes on a car! (Odometers for navigation weren't so important then, as most rides used the main roads. Only with increasing traffic in the 1970s, rides switched to back roads, where navigation became an issue. Altogether, French roads are much better signed than ours, so if you have directions or a route sheet, it is hard to get lost.)

Finally, the Faure of the bike shown in VBQ is from St. Etienne. Another Faure, from Lyon, entered the 1947 technical trials. And since Faure is such a common name around there, I am sure there were other cycle dealers named Faure who sold bikes (made by them or bought from the big makers) under their name. -- Jan Heine, Seattle Editor/Publisher Vintage Bicycle Quarterly http://www.mindspring.com/~heine/bikesite/bikesite/

That is, I'd bet $$ to Bayliss Donuts, a cyclometer, perhaps driven off the belt you can vaguely see (larger diameter spool at hub end). Size and shape look a lot like the Huret, but clearly not the Bowden cable drive ("speedometer cable" I'm used to.

wouldn't bet very many donuts, though...

Harvey wins! Also in the issue, Jan does say "Rumor has it that A. Faure was a 'horloger,' a clock maker." Also, " There were other Faures who made bikes, but none this elaborate."

Roy "charter subscriber" Drinkwater

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:33:55 EST From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 14, Issue 110 Message-ID: <13.28b4e9ca.2d70bd63@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3

In a message dated 2/27/04 10:07:35 AM, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
>Well, I stumbled onto the most marvelous photo of a bicycle on Jan
>Heine's site. It is a chrome or stainless '52 Faure.
>http://www.mindspring.com/~heine/bikesite/bikesite/images/faure.jpg
>It may have the coolest integration of light to fender to something else
>(anybody know for sure just what it is?) that's round... several of us
>have speculated about it. <snip>
>-------------
>
>That is, I'd bet $$ to Bayliss Donuts, a cyclometer, perhaps driven off
>the belt you can vaguely see (larger diameter spool at hub end). Size and
>shape look a lot like the Huret, but clearly not the Bowden cable drive
>("speedometer cable" I'm used to.
>
>wouldn't bet very many donuts, though...
>
>harvey sachs
>mcLean va.
>

I'm sure you're exactly right... if you look closely at the bottom photo you can see that the belt is one of the old tightly-coiled-spring variety.

Bob Hovey Columbus, GA ------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:35:34 -0500 From: "kohl57@starpower.net" <kohl57@starpower.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Query to Hetchins Owners/British wheel questions Message-ID: <269620-220042527153534128@M2W057.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Reply-To: kohl57@starpower.net Message: 4

Original Message: ----------------- From: Huemax@aol=2Ecom Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:11:45 EST To: teaat4p@yahoo=2Ecom, classicrendezvous@bikelist=2Eorg Subject: Re: [CR]Query to Hetchins Owners/British wheel questions

"I have my question for British bike experts;

A) When are the peak time line for 26-1/4" wheels? =20

B) Are they ever used for racing?"

Thanks,

KEN TODA,=20

Ken=2E=2E=2E 26" x 1/4" wheels were very common for club bikes c=2E 1930-1= 950=2E But from about then on, 27" x 1/4" became pretty much the standard for lightweights, certainly racing machines, especially running on sprints or tubulars=2E Most frame sets could take both=2E And models like the Raleigh= RRA of the period offered the choice of 26" or 27" with the top British makes (Constrictor etc)=2E=20

I have two machines riding on the famous Dunlop EA alloy 26" x 1/4" rims (the slightly wider Westrick pattern ones) and one on the equally classic Dunlop lightweight steel "HP" styles=2E Frankly, the bikes ride much nicer= on the 26"=2E

But if you're putting together a "racing" rather than "club" machine and it's post say 1950, you'd be more typically period correct by going for 27= " methinks=2E If your frame's pre-1960, English make would be more common, t= oo, I think=2E=2E=2E the British still made superb rims, hubs, handlebars, ste= ms and brakes at this time with no need at all to "go foreign"=2E

Peter Kohler Washington DC USA

-------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:56:23 -0700 From: "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com> To: Tom Forhan <fourwdvw@yahoo.com>, classicrev <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Tutorial please...on this wild ebay collection of bike stuff Message-ID: <20040227155623.M2734@veloworks.com> In-Reply-To: <20040227145131.24415.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040227145131.24415.qmail@web21321.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevens@veloworks.com Message: 5

If you are going to post tinyurl's, please post the original full length URL as well.

Some people's company firewalls block access to URL translation sites.

Steven L. Sheffield Grumbling in West Valley, Utah.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:51:31 -0800 (PST), Tom Forhan wrote
> Bob Freitas already outed this amazing collection of
> listings - http://tinyurl.com/38to2 .
>
> All from the same basement, no doubt, but wildy
> different reaction by free market forces. Items
> selling for hundreds, items not selling for a few
> bucks. Interesting frames, but only one name I can
> connect to old bike pages.
>
> Anyone care to comment on this collection, maybe tell
> me and perhaps others a bit about what we are looking
> at? Clearly the seller has no idea.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom Forhan
> Takoma Park MD
>
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-- Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash ------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:04:40 -0500 From: Grant McLean <Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca> To: "Classic Rendezvous Mail List (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Willing to wait?? Message-ID: <D40031E5F7ACD71195BC009027887CFF118ADB@SLSERVER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 6

Team CR,

Ok, so what's the longest you'd be willing to wait for a "keeper of the flame" frame? Does anyone know who has the longest queue?

Baylis ? Columbine ? Bill Davidson ? Eisentraut ? JP Weigle ? Richard Moon ? Alex Singer ?

recently checked: Richard Sachs 24-36 months Roland Della Santa 24 months Mariposa 6-12 months Nagasawa 10-12 months

others?

Grant McLean Toronto.Ca

O \O/ _< \_ _< _ (_)>(_) (_)>(_)

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:02:43 +0000 From: themaaslands@comcast.net To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org (Classic Rendezvous) Subject: Re: [CR]gios aero questions Message-ID: <022720041602.13767.6216@comcast.net> Precedence: list Message: 7

Eric wrote:
> >http://ebay.com/<blah>
> i've won this "little project" so can anyone tell me a little more about
> this model? what's the difference between the SR, Professional and
> Aerodynamic? most gios stuff i've found in the archives and elsewhere
> focuses on the super record and the color. even the gios website has many
> pictures of the SR, a few for the Pro and only 1 in a box for the aero. and
> what's 'columbus air' tubing?
>From memory, I believe the aerodynamic differed because of the mounting of the shift levers, the 'aero' fork crown and blades (internally 'lugged' and 'slippery' design), aero stays (slightly teardropped shape of stays) Alfredo also used to say with a twinkle in his eye that the paint was also special 'slippery' paint.
> so once i get this frame and it checks out fine, any suggestions on where to
> start? did it originally come with the parts listed in the auction? i think
> i would like to get it relatively close to period correct. i'm hoping i can
> even figure out what 'period' this comes from. when did they stop making
> these?

As the photo on the Gios site points out, most Gios bikes were sold as frames alone, so feel free to put whatever you want on the bike. The bike is from the first part of the 80's. Super Record would indeed have been common at the time.
> if this is OT sorry for the inconvenience. i have many questions and don't
> even have the f&f yet!

It probably does just sneak in under the deadline to be considered on topic. By the way, the cycling team is Ijsboerke not Ljboerke as indicated in the auction description. 'Ijs' is the Dutch or Flemish equivalent for 'Ice'. 'Boerke' is the familiar diminutive of 'Boer' which translates to 'Farmer'. Harking back to the period in the 80's when I lived in Belgium, I seem to recall that Ijsboerke was a company that sold home-delivered frozen foods .

-- Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ ------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:14:57 EST From: Boy651@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]The ol' Broom stick in seat tube trick Message-ID: <116.2f4079a2.2d70c701@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8

Hey, Traded this guy for his beater Gitane Supercourse. He stuck a broom stick in the seat tube because he didn't have the right size seat post which would tighten correctly. So it's wegded in and pretty far down. Any tips on getting it out. I'm thinking if I had a long screw or something... like taking a cork out of a bottle...

george elanjian (los angeles)

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:30:37 -0700 From: "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Willing to wait?? Message-ID: <20040227163037.M39826@veloworks.com> In-Reply-To: <D40031E5F7ACD71195BC009027887CFF118ADB@SLSERVER> References: <D40031E5F7ACD71195BC009027887CFF118ADB@SLSERVER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevens@veloworks.com Message: 9

I waited almost 38 years for my Richard Sachs.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:04:40 -0500, Grant McLean wrote
> Team CR,
>
> Ok, so what's the longest you'd be willing to wait for
> a "keeper of the flame" frame? Does anyone know who
> has the longest queue?
>
> Baylis ?
> Columbine ?
> Bill Davidson ?
> Eisentraut ?
> JP Weigle ?
> Richard Moon ?
> Alex Singer ?
>
> recently checked:
> Richard Sachs 24-36 months
> Roland Della Santa 24 months
> Mariposa 6-12 months
> Nagasawa 10-12 months
>
> others?
>
> Grant McLean
> Toronto.Ca
>
> O \O/
> _< \_ _< _
> (_)>(_) (_)>(_)
>
> _______________________________________________

-- Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash ------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:29:17 -0500 From: "Charlie Young" <youngc@netreach.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]The ol' Broom stick in seat tube trick Message-ID: <403f705d.22d.4472.291800405@netreach.net> Precedence: list Reply-To: youngc@netreach.net Message: 10

I'd start with a bellhanger's drill (long) and drill through the center. Then I'd get a long bolt, fit a molly-type expanding anchor small enough to fit through the hole, tighten it and commence pulling it out. Using a screw or lag bolt, even with a pilot hole, is likely to increase the compression of the wood against the tube walls.

I can't wait for all of the shade tree mechanics' innovative suggestions on this one.

Charlie Young May just use a broomstick on my PX10 for lack of a 26.2 post. Would that be OK if I use a french broom? 26.4, 26.6, 26.8 I have... Honeybrook, PA
>
> Hey,
> Traded this guy for his beater Gitane Supercourse. He
> stuck a broom stick in the seat tube because he didn't
> have the right size seat post which would tighten
> correctly. So it's wegded in and pretty far down. Any
> tips on getting it out. I'm thinking if I had a long
> screw or something... like taking a cork out of a
> bottle...
>
> george elanjian (los angeles)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:10:20 +0100 From: "Feeken, Dirk" <dirk.feeken@sap.com> To: "'Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org'" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Willing to wait?? Message-ID: <333D9700B499084C9DF804896DDA71781145C016@dewdfx14.wdf.sap.corp> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11

I've waited only 5 month for my Alex Singer. Maybe this was luck and I hit a moment with a short queue. But I would also wait 2 years for my dream bike if necessary. In fact the waiting (if you know the duration from the beginning and there are no delays) is part of the fun. The expectation, the calls and mails back and forth refining the order. I think I switched the ordered color four times...

Dirk

-- Dirk Feeken Heidelberg Germany

-----Original Message----- Subject: [CR]Willing to wait??

Team CR,

Ok, so what's the longest you'd be willing to wait for a "keeper of the flame" frame? Does anyone know who has the longest queue?

Baylis ? Columbine ? Bill Davidson ? Eisentraut ? JP Weigle ? Richard Moon ? Alex Singer ?

recently checked: Richard Sachs 24-36 months Roland Della Santa 24 months Mariposa 6-12 months Nagasawa 10-12 months

others?

Grant McLean Toronto.Ca

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:57:49 -0800 From: "Bruce Gordon" <bgcycles@svn.net> To: "Grant McLean" <Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Willing to wait?? Message-ID: <00ea01c3fd5b$37279ca0$4ba22840@oemcomputer> References: <D40031E5F7ACD71195BC009027887CFF118ADB@SLSERVER> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12

Bruce Gordon Custom Lugged Frame - 6 to 8 weeks


----- Original Message -----
From: Grant McLean
To: Classic Rendezvous Mail List
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:04 AM
Subject: [CR]Willing to wait??



> Team CR,
>
> Ok, so what's the longest you'd be willing to wait for
> a "keeper of the flame" frame? Does anyone know who
> has the longest queue?
>
>
> Baylis ?
> Columbine ?
> Bill Davidson ?
> Eisentraut ?
> JP Weigle ?
> Richard Moon ?
> Alex Singer ?
>
> recently checked:
> Richard Sachs 24-36 months
> Roland Della Santa 24 months
> Mariposa 6-12 months
> Nagasawa 10-12 months
>
> others?
>
>
>
> Grant McLean
> Toronto.Ca
>
> O \O/
> _< \_ _< _
> (_)>(_) (_)>(_)
>
> _______________________________________________
>

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:54:37 -0500 (EST) From: mmeison@scubadiving.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Bike Shops in Northern Italy Message-ID: <55396.20.137.30.50.1077904477.squirrel@webmail.scubadiving.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 13

I have a friend who is going to be in Northern Italy next week and is interested in getting a new bike. Does anyone know any good shops either in Milano or north of there? Classic Content: This person once saw a classic bike.

sorry for the diversion and thanks in advance Marty Eison Dallas, Texas. ------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:18:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Forhan <fourwdvw@yahoo.com> To: classicrev <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Willing to wait?? Message-ID: <20040227181805.87498.qmail@web21322.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14

Rivendell is at 18 months right now.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:22:53 -0500 From: <raleighpro@dejazzd.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: Re: [CR]The ol' Broom stick in seat tube trick Message-ID: <20040227182253.PAN14459.de-fe02.dejazzd.com@de-fe02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15
> From: "Charlie Young" <youngc@netreach.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR]The ol' Broom stick in seat tube trick
>>I can't wait for all of the shade tree mechanics' innovative suggestions on this one.<<

Starving termites.....

Pete Geurds Douglassville, PA

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:24:03 +0000 From: themaaslands@comcast.net To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org (Classic Rendezvous) Subject: Re: [CR]Bike Shops in Northern Italy Message-ID: <022720041824.7541.704e@comcast.net> Precedence: list Message: 16

Marty asked:
> I have a friend who is going to be in
> Northern Italy next week and is interested in
> getting a new bike. Does anyone know any good shops either
> in Milano or north of there?

That is a loaded question. Where North of Milan? What kind of bike? Does the bike need to be new OT or simply a classic that is new to your friend? Virtually any bike shop (as opposed to chain store like Decathlon or Giacomelli...) in Italy will be able to sell a new OT racing bike to your friend. For a classic-style bike, you can also go to most bike shops and if you manage to explain what you want to the shopkeeper, will normally have a good chance of finding something. To find a true 'old' classic is much more difficult and would likely require a reasonable mastery of Italian.

In the province of Milan, on the Northern outskirts of the city of Milan, you could go to De Rosa and or Colnago.

If you give me more info off-list, I can try to help you.

-- Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ
> Classic Content: This person once saw a classic bike.
>
> sorry for the diversion and thanks in advance
> Marty Eison
> Dallas, Texas.
> _______________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:36:40 GMT From: brianbaylis@juno.com To: Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Willing to wait?? Message-ID: <20040227.103714.3638.2635669@webmail14.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17

Grant,

The backlong isn't all there is to the picture. One thing that is often overlooked is how many frames are made during any given period, say per year. My numbers vary quite a bit. The problem for me in recent years, quite frankly, is my involvement on this list. It has increased the volume of business I had prior to joining this "club" by a considerable amount. The complexity and extensive nature of a lot of these projects added to the amount of it, causes serious distraction from framebuilding. My backlog, from now, will change quite a bit in a short time in a positive direction. But in recent years, no more than two frames per year have been produced. The way I build frames and the type of frames I produce requires a very different attitude and approach to the construction of the frame. It requires focusing on each aspect of the building process for at least a certain period of time. With all this other stuff to do and think about, it can be difficult for me to accomplish.

What happens when someone waits for a Baylis frame, is they are rewarded with my best efforts and all of the creative features that they desired in their "dream bike". Technically, it will not look like any other bike I've ever built, if only in a few subtle ways, and it won't look like any other bike anyone else has ever built either. Even in the case of my replicas, I build in subtle differences to insure there is no confusion in the future. And I mean in the DISTANT future, when none of us are here to explain anything. My focus is on making the FEWEST frames of any framebuilder of my era, but making amongst the most unique, refined, and creative while still operating within the bounds of the "traditional" frame. Obviously, Marios' 135 is a number I've already surpassed, but I'm reasonably sure I haven't built up to 500 yet. Many years down the road, the "big" names in the framebuilding world will be sorted out partially based on the number of them that are available. They will discover that my bikes are considerably more rare than most, and each one was built for a specific purpose and posseses it's own unique look and personality. The hand of the builder will be unmistakable in every one of them. The original owners of such bikes will indeed be a relatively small number. I think my approach to framebuilding and my way of thinking is somewhat contrary to the standard business practices of professional framebuilders. It puts me outside of a certain number of people who take a more "businesslike" approach. That's what makes us all unique. I actually sort of prefer to be this way anyhow. It makes me feel eccentric.

There will be a few positive changes to the way I approach my "business" in the near future, but my basic purpose and philosophy will remain unchanged. The best news is, the wait will eventually be reduced to a "managable" level and the frames will probably reach about 6 per year or possibly a few more, depending how much I have to cover painting and other things in the new company.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA Marketing is everything.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA


-- Grant McLean wrote:


Team CR,

Ok, so what's the longest you'd be willing to wait for a "keeper of the flame" frame? Does anyone know who has the longest queue?

Baylis ? Columbine ? Bill Davidson ? Eisentraut ? JP Weigle ? Richard Moon ? Alex Singer ?

recently checked: Richard Sachs 24-36 months Roland Della Santa 24 months Mariposa 6-12 months Nagasawa 10-12 months

others?

Grant McLean Toronto.Ca

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