Re: [CR]WAS :Mercxk Corsa O1 is lugged NOW on topic:

Example: Framebuilders:Alex Singer

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Subject: Re: [CR]WAS :Mercxk Corsa O1 is lugged NOW on topic:
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:38:03 -0500

I've never taken the policy to exclude production frames or semi-production frames which are steel and lugged. Bikes from the 70's aren't any less classic if they were high volume and affordable like the PX-10 as opposed to custom made in limited quantity like a Confente. Why should we make that distinction of traditional style new bikes? My wife and I have two Bianchi TSX-UL frames from 1996 or 1997. One Midnight Blue on Celeste, one Celeste on Midnight Blue. Both are lugged steel, standard size tubing, threaded forks, half chromed stays, cutouts in the head lugs. Columbus TSX tubing. This model was made almost unchanged from the early or mid 70's until it was discontinued in 1997, except it was probably originally Columbus SL tubing. The only unfortunate change near the end of the model life was an ugly unicrown fork which I replaced with a chromed full-sloping clone of a Cinelli fork. I think this bike and the handfull of traditional style production bikes still produced are every bit as On Topic as a Sachs or Rivendell or Singer, although certainly not as valuable.


Jerry Moos
Houston, TX

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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:28 AM
Subject: [CR]WAS :Mercxk Corsa O1 is lugged NOW on topic:

> Dale, List et al,
> >From Vol 16, issue 23:
> >Not 100% sure without hearing it from Dale's mouth, but it seems to me
> > that any frame made out of steel with lugged joints is going to fall
> > under the category of "Keeper of the Flame" status and therefore be
> > on-topic for the CR list. The components wouldn't, but the frame would.
> > Dale?
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, Southern California >>
> >You are correct, sir...
> ><G>
> >Dale
> While I try not to be so curmudgeonly or retrogrouchy (are these actual
> words?) but doesn't this open up discussion of the lugged Colnago Classic,
> Pegoretti Luigino , etc. While I would love to know my 85 Trek and 89
> Serotta (my main riders) are on topic due to both being steel and lugged,
> doesn't this blur the cut off line to the point where it is
> nonexistant? I was under the impression that KOF status was bestowed
> more to a Richard Sachs, Peter Wiegle, Rivendell etc. than to a production
> shop producing lugged steel frames. And no I don't want to start the whole
> production vs one man shop debate again.
> Marty Eison
> Dallas "Its flooding down in Texas"