Re: [CR]Was: What did the old builders have in mind.. now QUALITY.


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To: OROBOYZ@aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:06:56 -0400
Subject: Re: [CR]Was: What did the old builders have in mind.. now QUALITY.
From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

snipped: "But the point is if we find a Masi or a DeRosa or whatever that is not up to it's billing, then it is a case of breach of contract so to speak."

dale-issimo this is a reallllllly grey area; these businesses didn't "bill". there were no brochures with "copy" and superlatives. no ads and marketing to speak of. all the hype was generated by the journalists and, in turn, by consumers. e-RICHIEĀ® Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA Tel. 860.526.2059 site: http://www.richardsachs.com pics: http://photos.yahoo.com/bobbesrs rants: http://richardsachs.blogspot.com/

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:41:51 EDT OROBOYZ@aol.com writes: An important consideration is left out of this line of discussion.

Those fancy bikes are supposed to have and presumed to have the finest build quality and best handling. DeRosa, or all the other artisan built frames are presumed/ advertised/ presented as having impeccable quality. Only the finest.

And a finely built, knowledgeably designed, mitered, tubed, brazed, aligned and finished bike IS better than a slopped out mass produced bike.

When, in fact, it turns out that there is a stinker found amongst the fancier brands, say a poor example or even a batch of sloppy jobs, that occurrence is not a reflection upon whether better bikes are better or not, but rather reflects a lapse in the honesty and integrity of the builder/maker/manufacturer. For a crazy example, if I learned through experience or friend's recommendations or reading bike magazines that Richard Sachs frames were beautifully built, race designed, immaculately joined, and then found one in which the BB fell out, I would not say "All fancy frames are no better than the Schwinns at

Walmart." It would mean that Richard had been kidnapped or worse and an incompetent

impostor was knocking out hack jobs in his place!

But the point is if we find a Masi or a DeRosa or whatever that is not up to it's billing, then it is a case of breach of contract so to speak. We are not unreasonable to believe and expect the best from these makers. Our expectations are not wrong, the supplier just let us down.

Dale Brown cycles de ORO, Inc. 1410 Mill Street Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 336-274-5959 fax 336-274-6360