Re: [CR]brit bikes dominate? Oh, please...

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:22:18 GMT
To: kohl57@starpower.net
Subject: Re: [CR]brit bikes dominate? Oh, please...
From: <brianbaylis@juno.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Peter,

I forgot to mention in my previous post, that personally I never have given a second thought to ANY bicycle based on who rode one or who won races on what machine. The LAST thing I care about in a frame is WHO rides one, followed closely by what RACES were won on what bikes. I'm a framebuilder and I see frames from the construction and design standpoint. What bike a rider chooses to or is "forced" to ride is irrelevent to anything. What races were won are ALWAYS based on the RIDER (unless the frame falls apart during the race due to a flaw in construction that is the actual FAULT of the builder, which many failiers are not). Those aspects are part of the emotional part of what one sees in a bike. Personally, I reccommend that everyone lose the who rode it and "what bike? won it" part of bikes. Look with your eyes. Be open minded and willing to learn more and EXPERIENCE more. Never mind what was going on in any given country regarding bikes when determining what is "good" and what is not so good. It's all good, really. But look and learn about bikes. Eventually you will realize that great bikes are made pretty much everywhere, and some of the best come from of all places, CALIFORNIA!

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA
Did I really say that? YES I DID!!!!!!!!!


-- "P.C. Kohler" wrote:


I think the French indeed did (and obviously still do) pleasure riding although not to the extent of the British. Certainly France produced the type of relatively sophisticated touring machines that I don't think one saw in Italy. But I am not sure if there was the degree of amateur time trialing and club racing that saw such a explosion in the demand for lightweight machines before the War and immediately afterwards in England.

In the 1950s there was even a faint glimmer of hope that those arch cyclists, the Nigerians (if you think I'm passionate about Raleigh.. talk to a Nigerian!), would adopt cycle sport. In 1957 Raleigh sent Reg Harris to the Nigerian Independence Day festivities.

Of course one of the factors in cycle sport is the condition of roads... we forget that one of the reasons cycling thrived to the extent it did in England was the extent and quality of well paved roads as well as cycle regulation and laws. Hence those still remarkable long distant records of the 1920s and 1930s that Mick Butler has referred to. Bert James, S.H. Ferris, Charles Holland were as famous as any of the Tour de France winners in their days and their exploits were contemporary to the early days of the Tour.

Were these British riders and machines any good? Bert James in March 1938 did 100 miles in 3 hours 45 minutes 51 seconds. On a Raleigh. With a Sturmey-Archer hub gear.

Me, I'm ready to buy a Cinelli Super Corsa and see what I'm missing. I'm already on the cycleway to Perdition after buying a French bike, so I've got nothing to lose.

Peter Kohler
Washington DC USA