Re: [CR]RE: l'Alpe d'Huez (reviving an old/new Carbon/Ergo argument)(long)

Example: Framebuilders:Alberto Masi

Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:48:25 -0800
From: Chuck Schmidt <>
Subject: Re: [CR]RE: l'Alpe d'Huez (reviving an old/new Carbon/Ergo argument)(long)
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Jan Heine wrote:
> I have not seen anybody on this list say that new bikes are junk (but
> I don't read every message!). The original question was whether new
> bikes were better and faster than older bikes. By saying they are
> not, one does not say they are worse or slower. They might just be
> the same.
> Of course, as has been pointed out, one has to define "old." There
> have been distinct improvements since the days when there were no
> bikes at all. Any bike probably is faster than walking! But this
> undisputable fact does not mean that the latest Japanese oversize BB
> spindle with outboard bearings will make an impact on how fast you
> get from A to B, compared to the "horribly outdated" design that a
> certain Italian manufacturer continues to peddle.

I'm struggling here Jan. So bike frames and components, as they get redesigned and one would assume improved over the years, do not contribute to increasing the speed of the rider from point A to point B?

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California