[CR]WAS: Lugless /bilam. NOW: Hey, wait a minute!!!!

Example: Framebuilders:Dario Pegoretti

To: mountgerald@btopenworld.com
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 21:54:02 -0400
From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]WAS: Lugless /bilam. NOW: Hey, wait a minute!!!!

hey wait a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i read this over a few times - and unless i am missin' sumtin', this doesn't sound too legit. anyone who knows anything about any of these things knows that the joint is stronger than the material. it is expected that if you lean on it, the joint remains intact or yields slightly, but the tubing fails after the heat affected zone. one dosn't need an engineering division to draw this conclusion. this test may have been a test - and it may have lent itself to good marketing - but did they really need it to legitimize what is common sense? e-RICHIE aka Richard M Sachs Chester, CT

On Sat, 22 May 2004 00:20:13 +0100 "Mark Stevens" <mountgerald@btopenworld.com> writes: Richie, there was a study carried out by National Physical Laboratory, Teddington England on behalf of Gillotts. They were marketing their " L"Atlantique" at the time and reproduced these results in their circa 1950 catalogue. Quote;
                                     About the Famous "L'Atlantique" For too long welded frames have had a bad reputation _ and in truth many of those produced deserved the stigma. Too often they were badly made without thought of the particular requirements a lug-less frame needed and frequently the skill of the maker left much to be desired. We knew that this state of affairs was unnecessary and that properly made a welded frame was the equal of the more orthodox lugged frame. In introducing the famous "L'Atlantique" three years ago we demonstrated our faith, which has been amply justified. Today it is firmly established as the finest welded frame made, worthy to stand on its merits equally with its stable companion, the famous connoisseur lugged frame. Not only does the National Physical Laboratory support our opinion, but riders have also proved it in the only practical way they can- by hard riding over along period.
     All our welders hold A.I.D Certificates and they are specialists in cycle frame construction. This fact, combined with the special 531 tubing we use, is the reason why the "L'Atlantique" is so popular today. Here is the reproduction of the report from the National Physical Laboratory.