I have a Xerox of an late 80's early 90's Stronglight Catalog which includes a comprehensive set of SOLIDA chainsets for the O.E.M Market Each page with the SOLIDA Cranks also carried the Stronglight Trade Mark
SOLIDA SL 75D Dural Double Chainset detachable rings SOLIDA SL 55DF3 Dural Double Chainset detachable inner ring SOLIDA SL 65 Dural and anodized Chainset detachable ring(s) available S/D/T SOLIDA SL 62 Chromed Steel Chainset detachable ring(s) available S/D/T SOLIDA 55 Dural and anodized Chainset with detachable rings available S/D SOLIDA 52 Dural Cranks steel rings available S/D/T
I dont have the Date on this Catalog but for reference the Stronglight Cranks include ST 1000 and ST Delta ST 300LX (130 Bolt circle)
Hope this is of some use
Emerson Johnston Global Customer Value Management LLC. Phone (613) 599 5374 E-mail: emerson@gcvm.com Visit: http://www.gcvm.com
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1. re: favorite parts (C. Andrews) 2. Stronglight and Nervar Equipment (Norris Lockley) 3. re: Pic of the Day Sunday Funnies questions (Roy H. Drinkwater) 4. re: Favorite parts (Roy H. Drinkwater) 5. Fw: favorite parts (C. Andrews) 6. Re: Favorite parts (joel metz, ifbma/sfbma) 7. Looking for front brake... 8. Bike shop of interest in Athens, OH (Mark Poore) 9. for sale 10. Re: re [CR]60's - 70's Handle Bars and Stems ? (r cielec) 11. Re: dressing up a raleigh (r cielec) 12. Re: Fw: Pic of the Day Sunday Funnies (r cielec) 13. Pic of the Day Sunday Funnies (swampmtn) 14. Bent Axles and Yanks Correlation 15. Shop Praise Renaissance Cycles (Mick Butler) 16. Japanese bike frames with Italian BB (Phil Scott) 17. bulgeir.net - was: [CR]60's - 70's Handle Bars and Stems ? (Pete Geurds) 18. Re: bulgeir.net - was: [CR]60's - 70's Handle Bars and Stems ? (Steven L. Sheffield)
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:34:57 -0700 From: "C. Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]re: favorite parts Message-ID: <002b01c4412f$52ab4180$6401a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1
Oops. Forgot my very favorite part of all:
Clement Criterium Seta or Seta Extra with the green or yellow label. I loved the orange ones especially. They'll never come again, and are, imho, the best tire ever made. Period.
Charles Andrews SoCal
"For we are all swimmers ephemerally buoyed by what will engulf us at last; still dreaming of islands though the mainland has been lost; swept remorselessly out to sea while we spread our arms to the beautiful shore"
-- Peter De Vries
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 01:13:01 +0100 From: "Norris Lockley" <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Stronglight and Nervar Equipment Message-ID: <000401c4412b$74cf7a50$de717ad5@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2
A few days ago a query was raised about a possible relationship between these two French manufacturers of chainsets. I have been researching the history of cycle and cycle accessory manufacturers in and around St Etienne, and again visited the city and its suburbs only a few weeks ago. As part of the research I am attempting to rake photographs of the premises used in years gone by and some of the current ones before the get demolished to make way for yet another huge food "hypermarche"
Last august I visited the factories of both Nervar - sadly no longer manufacturing- and Stronglight - stil where they were years ago but now under changed ownership, yet again. As far as I can ascertain there was no real relationship, Stronglight being in St Etienne itself while Nervar was up the road about 18 kms away in St Chamond, just around the corner from the old Vitus tubing factory in the valley of the River Gier - hence the name of the company that manufactured Vitus tubng, Ateliers de la Rive - "rive" referring to the banks of the river.
"Stronglight" was a trade mark of the Verot Perrin company, while " Nervar" was a marque owned by Peyrard. I have been trying to link the "Stronglight" Perrin with the Perrin company that manufactured the Pelissier and Excelto range of hubs at Boen not far from St Etienne Trading from the same address in St Etienne as Verot Perrin was another company Ets Haubtmann - which manufactured a range of steel chainsets under the brand "Solida".
If you study a pair of Solida cranks ( and probably Milremo ones too) they look very similar to the cheaper steel cranks of Nervar, and to some of the cheaper model Duprat cranks from earlier years. Again if you look at a pair of Stronglight 93 cranks they bear something of a resemblance to the Nervar Star - all of which makes me think that there might have been some collaboration if not actual shared ownership.
I hope to get back to St Etienne in July to ferret about a bit more and to try to access some company records held by the Museum of Arts and Industry which has a superb permanent collection of bikes.
Just one final comment relating to that collection.. to sort of prick the bubble in a sense. On show last year there was a cyclo-cross frame attributed to none other than Rene Herse.. and the frame carried his name. It was a pretty standard job brazed up with Nervex Pro lugs.. and that it just about as good as it got. The workmanship and standard of brazing was truly dreadful and I have chosen that word after considerable thought. Dreadful! Maybe it harked back to his apprenticeship days.. I reckon someone in the Museum bore the renowned builder a real grudge.
Norris Lockley
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:12:16 -0400
From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@ptd.net>
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>> Pellos illustration of the prize money situation, Tour de France, 1952.
The bags strung up with the Chinese lanterns. 10,000,000 (?)
for the winner going down to tiny bags at the end.
>>Anyone know what the cauliflower signifies?
A rider named "Chozo"? (can't read the tag)
>Other than fitting all into the frame, is there any significance to
>the dance partner groupings?
Position in the Tour; 1st - Coppi dancing with the yellow
jersey, to Bonnaventure (last?).
>Of which teams were the riders respective members?
Wasn't it national teams in 1952? The Italian team in double
strips, Swiss with cross, etc?
>Who are the characters on the podium?
The men who run the tour, Jacques Goddet was Director at the time who wore a pith helmet. They're making the riders dance for their winnings.
Notice the Liberty, Equality, Fraternity crossed out on the podium, and "it doesn't exist" written in between the Liberty and Equality and "a "grigario"(Italian gang)?" underneath.
Roy "studies comics" Drinkwater Lititz, PA ------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:35:16 -0400 From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@ptd.net> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]re: Favorite parts Message-ID: <a05200f01bcd70113967d@[192.168.1.1]> In-Reply-To: <002b01c4412f$52ab4180$6401a8c0@oemcomputer> References: <002b01c4412f$52ab4180$6401a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
Campagnolo Record high flange track hubs, also the h.f. road hubs and the Tipo h.f. hubs.
Roy "high flange" Drinkwater Lititz, PA ------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:09:29 -0700
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> Oops. Forgot my very favorite part of all:
>
> Clement Criterium Seta or Seta Extra with the green or
> yellow label. I loved the orange ones especially.
They'll
> never come again, and are, imho, the best tire ever made.
> Period.
>
> Charles Andrews
> SoCal
>
>
> "For we are all swimmers ephemerally
> buoyed by what will engulf us at last;
> still dreaming of islands though the
> mainland has been lost; swept
> remorselessly out to sea while we spread
> our arms to the beautiful shore"
>
> -- Peter De Vries
>
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:54:50 -0700 From: "joel metz, ifbma/sfbma" <magpie@messengers.org> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] Re: Favorite parts Message-ID: <p0601022abcd703188987@[216.175.96.189]> In-Reply-To: <a05200f01bcd70113967d@[192.168.1.1]> References: <002b01c4412f$52ab4180$6401a8c0@oemcomputer> <a05200f01bcd70113967d@[192.168.1.1]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6
oh, i cant resist...
parts i look at and drool (ever growing list):
oh, whaddya know, ive got a little web page devoted to this subject!
http://www.blackbirdsf.org/
parts i use and love love love:
campagnolo barend shifters/suntour power ratchet barend shifters - the campy cause theyre just so simple, the suntour cause theyre just that one notch nicer, all that a barend shifter needs to ever be, as far as im concerned...
brooks b17n/b17/b15 saddles while they still had the rounded inserts in the saddlebag loops rather than them being just stamped out of sheet steel
sturmey archer aw 3 speed hubs, pre 70s, or whenever it was that the planets stopped having the nice bevel on the edge of the gear. i dont know if its just my imagination or not, but the later minus-a-step-in-machining planets just dont seem to run as smooth...
fb and campy steel center high-flange track hubs. MAN these things are smooth. ill take my fbs in a "whose hub will spin free longer" contest over just about anything.
modolo/mavic/etc brake levers - i think this is one of those things you either love or dont. i like the curve of these levers way better than campys, its just one of those things.
mafac cantilevers - simple, and work way better than many people give them credit for.
silca frame pumps with campy heads. ive never needed more. sure they can be a bit fragile, but they work, and you can rebuild them. im a sucker for that.
plain binda toestraps. im still not convinced the extras are better :)
anything ta, but you knew that :)
theres some other stuff, but its ot...
-joel
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:16:30 EDT From: Tonythreerings@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Looking for front brake... Message-ID: <1d7.21f284f0.2de2b4fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7
I have an '82 Jack Taylor Path Racer which apparently needs a very long caliper: 68mm. I'm wondering A) what might have been OEM? B) anyone know where I can find a period appropriate brake? I only need the front. Thanks, Aaron
Aaron Lipstadt Hollywood, CA
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Poore <rauler83@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Bike shop of interest in Athens, OH Message-ID: <20040524025436.80663.qmail@web50001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8
Just spent the weekend riding at Cedar Falls, OH which is between Athens and Columbus. Stopped in the Cycle Path in Athens which had a few classics hanging with information on the bikes. The bikes were 1973 Speedwell, Eddy Merchx with Campagnolo Record and a 1971 Bob Jackson with chome as well as copper plating. Very nice folks and a few bikes you don't see too often.
Great riding to be found with rolling hills. My mid '70's Rauler was a lot of fun riding on these roads. Very hot and humid which I wasn't used to.
Mark Poore back in cool Slatyfork, WV
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:44:20 EDT From: TonyFNitro@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]for sale Message-ID: <cc.2c774912.2de2c994@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
greetings
1959s olmo special frame 22" c-t needs restoring on small ding behind bb
on chain stay. missing head badge.
$125.00 plus shipping
1972 cilo 22.75 touring frame. columbus tubing decent chrome with usual scrathes. low bb stance /chrome bcm lugs.
$150.00 plus shipping.
off topic but is anyone out there involved in sports products marketing or manafacturing.
thanks robbie fellows long beach,ca.
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:33:22 -0700 (PDT) From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> To: Steve Kurt <kurtsj@mtco.com>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: re [CR]60's - 70's Handle Bars and Stems ? Message-ID: <20040524043322.5981.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <40B11993.1090800@mtco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10
Steve: Regrettably, can no longer access bulgeir.net. A while ago, maybe 6 months ? Just a guess - all of a sudden, I could not access site. Prior to that, all was fine.
Regards, Richard Cielec Chicago, Illinois
Steve Kurt <kurtsj@mtco.com> wrote: From: r cielec "Can anyone supply or point to identifying photographs, illustrations or descriptions of alloy handle bars and stems circa late 60's - mid 70's ?
I'd like to dress-up the early 70's Raleighs but have come into contact only with straight and randonneur bars and the basic GB stem; yet, there seems to have been many interesting bar shapes and stems available in the market.
Regards, Richard Cielec"
Hi Richard, To get an idea of what was on the market, I'd suggest an afternoon of browsing thru the vintage catalogs on Mark Bulgier's website:
In particular, the Cyclo-Pedia catalog is an interesting source of some of the goodies available in the early 70's, albeit primarily of European origin.
Lotsa good general articles in the catalog too....
regards, Steve Kurt Peoria, IL
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:50:43 -0700 (PDT) From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> To: Mr Donald W Gillies <donald_gillies@yahoo.com>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Re: dressing up a raleigh Message-ID: <20040524045043.85496.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040523230633.50716.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11
Don:
I am not concerned with correct as OEM. (Heck, people bought the bikes and had the dealer change-out components. Or, the dealer did change-outs on the floor stock.) I am concerned with being period correct for reason of the shared aesthetics of an era. You're correct, the std. issue Raleigh options are limited. I'm sure that somewhere in the world there is a person whose hobby is bicycle handlebars.
Regards, Richard Cielec Chicago, Illinois
Mr Donald W Gillies <donald_gillies@yahoo.com> wrote: actually, there aren't many correct items to dress up a late 1960's or early 1970's raleigh or carlton bike.
the two types of handlebars used were GB "map of england" in both maes and randonneur (only on raleigh gransports), and plain-jane generic raleigh maes bars (i have 4x of them and they don't say ANYTHING on them). there MIGHT have been one or two 3T bars used, but only on the raleigh pro, and i am not sure what year.
there are three types of stems used in the 1970 and later bikes. There is the GB with a recessed bolt - these are pretty nice, and very hard to find - on competition, international, and sometimes on professionals - if you cannot find one, just buy a hex bolt one and take it to a machine shop to get it drilled for recessed bolt. i have both types and it's clear to me that this is the only difference. after market bolts are still pretty easy to obtain.
the other type is a 3T record. It's just so hard to identify these because it says "T T T" on one side and "record" on other side !! HAR. anyway, if you find one of these, make sure to shim it up with the GB (25.4) bars so you don't crack the 3T stem (25.8).
- Don Gillies
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> To: swampmtn <swampmtn@siscom.net>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Fw: Pic of the Day Sunday Funnies Message-ID: <20040524045620.15072.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c4411f$499f8840$d734fea9@mokry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12
Thanks. I thought it was the dog from "Triplets". : ) Richard Cielec Chicago, Illinois
swampmtn <swampmtn@siscom.net> wrote:
> Other than fitting all into the frame, is there any significance to the
dance partner groupings? Of which teams were the riders respective members?
Coppi is all alone dancing with the yellow jersey. His lead and stage wins
in 1952 were a level beyond anyone else. The next group of seven were
having some success as well... includes riders from Italian National,
Sud-Est, Belgium National. Next group of three had less success, but some
small luck none-the-less... I think all thre had worn the yellow jersey.
And finally, the group on the right are the unsuccessful French National
Team, with nothing to celebrate except a cauliflower ???
> Who are the characters on the podium?
Jacques Goddet, director of the Tour de France from 1947 to ???
Boudart - official time keeper.
Felix Levitan - assistant to Goddet and his successor as director of the
TdF.
> Whose dog?
Just the obligatory humorous pooch.
Aldo
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:33:17 -0400 From: "swampmtn" <swampmtn@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Pic of the Day Sunday Funnies Message-ID: <001101c440ca$854e7720$d734fea9@mokry> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13
Pic of the Day 23 May Sunday Funnies
Pellos illustration of the prize money situation, Tour de France, 1952. Once you've seen a rider drawn by Pellos, you'll always recognize him (both the rider AND Pellos)!
Anyone know what the cauliflower signifies?
Aldo Ross Blue Ball, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 01:25:42 EDT From: Carb7008@cs.com To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Bent Axles and Yanks Correlation Message-ID: <141.2a5e73e7.2de2e156@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14
In the course of refurbishing several vintage lwts, I have noticed that almost every rear axle is bent (incl Campy). Considering my junkyard/thrift-shop sources of bikes it is not altogether surprising but I think it emphasizes a
weak link in design (unsupported axle length). I can't help thinking that even if the axle is not permanently deformed its probably bending under load and this can't be good for bearing alignment and free-running. Of course we never see this since we adjust unloaded.
I also wonder if the fattening of America isn't putting our lightweights at risk. When the bikes were designed it was probably unusual for a rider to be over 175 lbs yet many of us are probably pushing 200 or more.
I have yet to find a Helicomatic axle bent although plenty have relatively rough races. This is one of several reasons why I like the Helicomatic. I guess the Shimano cassette solves this problem but it doesn't classify as vintage,
or does it?
Jack Romans Sacramento, CA
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 07:20:51 +0000 From: "Mick Butler" <pariscyclesuk@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] Shop Praise Renaissance Cycles Message-ID: <BAY16-F101NTcNOUOyV0003ddf0@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15
I have never purchased anything from this company up until a few weeks ago. I recieved wonderful helpful service from this company on my first purchase, would highly recommend. Will use first for all my cycling bits in future. Just like the old Brit shops of yesteryear only difference you can't
get a cup of tea out the back. Anybody who remember's Overbury's in Bristol or Morris's in Walthamstow will no what I mean.
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 05:19:50 -0400 From: "Phil Scott" <pdscott@woh.rr.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Japanese bike frames with Italian BB Message-ID: <000001c44170$44303890$67ec1c41@IDODESIGNS> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16
Anyone have a Japanese bike frame with Italian BB?
Phil Scott
Clayton, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 07:17:35 -0400 From: "Pete Geurds" <raleighpro@dejazzd.com> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> Subject: bulgeir.net - was: [CR]60's - 70's Handle Bars and Stems ? Message-ID: <003601c44180$b735c430$6401a8c0@home> References: <20040524043322.5981.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17
From: "r cielec" <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
> Regrettably, can no longer access bulgeir.net. A while ago, maybe 6 months
? Just a guess - all of a sudden, I could not access site. Prior to that,
all was fine.<
I lost my ability to get to that site when I went from AOL on a dialup line to a DSL line run by the phone company. Don't know why and nothing anyone's suggested has fixed it. Oddly, any other link that gets posted seems to be no problem. ebay, tiny URLs, photo links, etc. all work, but let someone put a link to bulgier.net and no go. Anyone else have this happen and fix the problem?
Pete Geurds Douglassville,PA
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 05:22:30 -0600 From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> To: Pete Geurds <raleighpro@dejazzd.com>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: bulgeir.net - was: [CR]60's - 70's Handle Bars and Stems ? Message-ID: <BCD73716.32992%stevens@veloworks.com> In-Reply-To: <003601c44180$b735c430$6401a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18
Might help if you spelled it correctly:
On 05/24/2004 05:17 AM, "Pete Geurds" <raleighpro@dejazzd.com> wrote:
> From: "r cielec" <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
>
>> Regrettably, can no longer access bulgeir.net. A while ago, maybe 6
months
> ? Just a guess - all of a sudden, I could not access site. Prior to that,
> all was fine.<
>
> I lost my ability to get to that site when I went from AOL on a dialup
line
> to a DSL line run by the phone company.
> Don't know why and nothing anyone's suggested has fixed it.
> Oddly, any other link that gets posted seems to be no problem.
> ebay, tiny URLs, photo links, etc. all work, but let someone put a link to
> bulgier.net and no go.
> Anyone else have this happen and fix the problem?
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville,PA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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