Re: [CR]was: Flandria, is "Pricewatch", slump, b-grade pickin's, whatever


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From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Dale B. Phelps" <losgatos_dale@yahoo.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <20040423140333.11754.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]was: Flandria, is "Pricewatch", slump, b-grade pickin's, whatever
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:57:33 -0500


Well, the Flandria was here when I returned from Cirque. This does appear to be a quality frame. No chrome, but that was very common for Flandria, even on top models. The frame seems comparable in weight to 531 or Columbus. Forged DO's, probably Shimano. Nicely lined lugs. Nice semi-wraparound seatstays with fancy pinstripping on the top eyes, kind of like the best Allegros. The chainstay bridge is curved and drilled for a mudguard attachment, even though there are no DO eyelets. It takes a a 27.0 seatpost, which probably rules out gaspipe tubing, which usually was much thicker. If not Reynolds or Columbus, I'm guessing it's probably Vitus or maybe Falck. The mid-range 27" wheels are clearly not original. With the wide 27 x 1 1/4 tires, the stays are too short to install them without partially deflating the rear tire, and the brake shoes would have to be moved to the top of the slots, and still might not work. Clearly this frame was designed for 700C wheels, probably tubulars. I suspect the original wheels were original Dura Ace hubs with tubular rims, but at some point the dealer robbed these and replaced them with the cheaper wheels. Anyone have original DA wheels or hubs for sale? Cranks, HS, brakes, and derailleurs all original DA (including Crane RD). Shifters marked Shimano, but not Dura-Ace. Anyone know if the original DA gruppo included DA shifters?

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Houston, TX


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Subject: [CR]was: Flandria, is "Pricewatch", slump, b-grade pickin's,


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> Dave (and all),
>
> You know me better than to think I'd idly jump in on a squee-bay
> discussion here...but c'mon, the "underpriced" Flandria? It reminded me
> of the occasional bike boom NOS Raleigh Grand Prix bikes that show up-a
> new bike that precious few CRers would have coveted back "in the day."
>
> The flandria was interesting to me as it could have been a great donor
> for one of the flandria/deVlaminck full SL framesets I have in the
> attic, but without the proper mid-70's hubset/wheels it got to be too
> pricy for just the bits, NOS or not. It IS "interesting", and I'd look
> it over if JM were riding it or showing it off in my area, but it IS
> after all very much a prototypical made-for-US market boomer bike.
> Jerry got it and will get a chance to ride it this late spring, that IS
> after all what our hardware was originally about isn't it?
>
> I'm with the assessment of ups and downs on that cyber-swap meet, lets
> just be careful that our growing level of e-bay banter doesn't dupe us
> into thinking of our hobby as "investments".....unless we want to
> regard our "investments" in the way we council our kids about a 401k
> .... "put it there, leave it, pay no attention"...and trust something
> may come out of it 15-40+ years down-the-line. But I suspect most of us
> don't have the 15-40 years to wait....and lets face it, just 'cause a
> pump head you scrounged (or threw away!) when you were in high school
> might sell for 500 zops today, doesn't mean it will increase 500-fold
> in value by the time our grandkids are in high school.
>
> f.w.i.w.
>
> dp
> Boulder CO
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Bikerdaver@aol.com>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; <OROBOYZ@aol.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:01 PM
> > Subject: [CR]Are Ebay Prices Drifting Lower??
> >
> >
> > > Listers-
> > > It seems to me that Ebay final bid prices are getting lower. Yes,
> > there is
> > > the occasional 1950s Bianchi w/Cambio set-up that still fetches
> > $2000, but
> > as
> > > far as bikes from like say the 1970s, do they seem lower now than
> > in the
> > past?
> > > For instance, below a set of nice Campy SR calipers going for $41?
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42331&item=3672597081
> > >
> > > How about this recent Flandria that we were all discussing, or the
> > Faggin
> > > that Lou recently pointed out. If its just my limited perspective
> > that
> > makes me
> > > come to this conclusion, step right up and let me know. If others
> > are
> > coming to
> > > this conclusion as well, what do you think is going on? Market
> > saturation?
> > > Seasonal doledrums? Any and all opinions welcomed.
> > > cheers-
> > > Dave Anderson
> > > Cut Bank MT