Re: [CR]Raleigh Identification, Pre-1980

Example: Production Builders

Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 07:37:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: r cielec <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Raleigh Identification, Pre-1980
To: Donald Gillies <>,
In-Reply-To: <>

My bikes exceptions to your very useful summary:

International: S/N F1715; 1971 Competition: S/N G5280; 1972

Zeus dropouts => 1972 or earlier (competition, gran sport) - My Competition has Huret.

semicircular centerpull rear hanger => 1970 and later - International = None

head lugs => My Competition has painted lugs that do not look like Internationals'. Perhpas Comp. has the Capella? Head lugs look a little like the Imperial brand margerine crown. Points have been nipped to accommodate head badge on the short frame.

Nervex BB shell w/factor spacer => Pls. clarify "factor spacer". Do not see spacer on the Comp. Equipped with TA 3-pin, double ring.

Richard Cielec

Chicago, Illinois

Donald Gillies <> wrote: FIND THE YEAR ============= Wrapover seat stays => 1972 or earlier 3 braze on top-tube => 1974 or earlier, 4 braze-ons => 1976 or later Zeus dropouts => 1972 or earlier (competition, gran sport) Campy dropouts => Pro, International, Competition(pre-1973) Huret dropouts => Competition(1974-1977), RRA(1973 only) semicircular centerpull rear hanger => 1970 and later "V" centerpull hander => 1969 or earlier

LOOK AT THE LUGS ================ Chrome head lugs => International (Nervex, Capella) or Competition (Nervex) Long-point "latin line" lugs => Pro Fastback lugs => Pro, pre-1978, or maybe a Carlton (many) Cinelli sloping crown => Pro, Competition(Pre-78) Vagner Crown w/triangle epaulets => International 531 main tubes => gran sport, early competitions (pre-78) 531 throughout => competition GS (78 and later) Nervex BB shell w/factor spacer => most likely a competition Prugnat lugs => competition (most years), super course Capella lugs => competition (1974), international(1973), super course(many) Bocama lugs => super course, grand prix

Ok, i've blown my wad. Now, YOU identify your raleigh, OK?

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA