Jay wrote: I've come to the point where I ask that a complete bike be
> shipped in two boxes, one box has just the frame with nothing else
> inside that can bang around and damage the frame, and everything
> else in another box. It's well worth the extra cost, especially on
> valuable bikes. Also ask that the box carrying the frame be double walled.
I agree with Jay's statement, but also want to point out that based upon the recent discussion about shipping bikes and the oversize box charges, it's sometimes no more expensive to ship the frame separately, and the wheels and other bits in another box, since you can avoid some of the size limit imposed charges they shippers impose for a box large enough to hold everything.
Ben Sanford
Falls Church, VA