Re: [CR]Racing question/baseball donut philosophy

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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:35:12 -0800 (PST)
From: "r garni" <crispyflotilla@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Racing question/baseball donut philosophy
To: "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com>
In-Reply-To: <20050106.122211.19382.21223@webmail24.nyc.untd.com>
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I agree.

I imagine that I was considering the more casual rider (someone who is not a cat racer, though an enthusiast) and balancing one's times between cycles.

They always recommend that you do not change seats, pedals, or systems before a race–I imagine that they (whoever they are) would extend their suggestions to include frames as well!

Ricky Garni Carrboro

--- "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com> wrote:
>
> snipped:
> "that putting in some hours on your older bicycle
> would be very beneficial to your strength and
> stamina–"
>
>
>
> one caveat: i don't buy this unless you are
> able to have the same contact points duplicated
> on each era's bicycle; if you "practice" on the
> old sled and then get on the racing mount on
> sunday, you'll induce injury unless the positions
> are replicated.
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
>
>
>
>
> -- r garni <crispyflotilla@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I of course agree with Richie, but please note: I do
> not race at all.
> Not much of a confession there. However, I think
> that
> there is a very good reason to have both a say,
> '70's
> Masi and a modern bike, say, a Litespeed for an
> addendum reason to those listed below:
>
> I have always suggested to anyone who is interested
> in
> riding, and has decided that he or she is serious
> about it (serious, not solemn) to go ahead and buy
> the
> absolute best bicycle (with the most modern
> components) that you can afford to buy. OF COURSE
> you
> will ride faster (than say on a '70's Masi–all other
> things being equal) but most importantly, your speed
> and the efficiency will make you want to ride more
> often. The same applies to buying pianos, a Mont
> Blanc
> meisterstück pen, or whathaveyou. The desire makes
> you
> ride more, play more, write more, and hence,
> hopefully, better, as much as anything else might,
> save having Chris Carmichael as your neighbor.
>
> The older bike(s) serve a dual purpose: one is
> wrapped
> up in nostalgia, the simplicity and beauty of older
> cycles and components, the unique aspects and
> indescribable qualities of each older bike (I still
> regret selling my Peugeot PX 10, but honestly, did
> it
> ride well? Not particularly) as well as personal
> attachment to a bygone (and beloved) philosophy.
>
> The second purpose of the older bicycle, and some
> might dispute this (or be generally annoyed) can be
> compared to the donut on the baseball bat (or
> whatever the devil it is called)–something that
> helps
> immensely UNTIL you step up to the plate. I feel,
> unscientifically at best, that putting in some hours
> on your older bicycle would be very beneficial to
> your
> strength and stamina–just make sure that you take
> off
> the donut before you step up to the plate, i.e.,
> switch to the '04 / '05 before you hit the starting
> line!
>
> Ricky Garni
> Carrboro, NC
>
> --- "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > you answered your own question here.
> > i.e., you can't be competitive in 05 unless you're
> > using 05 technology, whatever that is. now - i
> don't
> > mean "material" or method of consruction...". i
> mean
> > moving parts, multiple gears, wind-cheating
> shapes,
> > a good doctor, etcetera.
> > e-RICHIE
> > chester, ct
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- "charles nighbor" <cnighbor@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > A question I ponder now and then is this, does a
> > modern 2000's racing bicycle like say Litespeed
> with
> > all the modern components versus a say 1970's Masi
> > with all Campagnolo record components made a full
> > time bicycle racer a stronger physical rider? I
> can
> > see and have experienced riding my 1973 Bob
> Jackson
> > versus a rider of equal ability riding his modern
> > 2003 bicycle being a bit faster due to better
> > shifting, lighter wheels resulting in less mass to
> > accelerate and lighter weight to move forward but
> > does it result in a stronger rider? I can see
> > perhaps a professional racer being less tried at
> the
> > end of the day with less loss of physical and
> mental
> > fatigue to recover from but does that result in a
> > stronger rider ????? Or is it the racer riding an
> > older bicycle the stronger physically or mentally
> or
> > both.
> >
> > Charles Nighbor
> > in Walnut Creek, CA building up a set of Mavic
> > MA$)'s rims , Campagnolo HF Record 28H, 14/17
> spokes
> > front and 14/15 spokes right side and 14/17 left
> > side all 3X
> >
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