Re: French bike culture in America, was [CR]re: Why no Toei?

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:24:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: French bike culture in America, was [CR]re: Why no Toei?
To: HM & SS Sachs <sachs@erols.com>, heine93@earthlink.net, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <41EC022F.2040703@erols.com>


I don't really think the French bike culture in US is any less recent than Italian. My first exposure to Lightweight European bikes in the early 70's was mostly French - Peugeots, LeJeunes, Gitanes. And the fact they were French was a major component of their "coolness". I think it was a matter of where in the US you lived. In CA, it seems to have been Cinelli and Masi that represented the cool European bike. In the Cleveland, OH area, were I first encountered lightweights, Peugeot was the icon, although of course a few lusted after all-Campy Cinelli SC's. On the East Coast, UK seems to have had the most influence, as Peter Weigle and richie both apprenticed at Witcomb and Doug Fattic (although he's a Midwesterner) at Ellis-Briggs. What does seem a bit more recent is the appreciation of the low-volume French "constructeurs" like Rene Herse and Alex Singer, whose products were mostly NOT racing models.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Houston, TX

HM & SS Sachs <sachs@erols.com> wrote: Jan Heine wrote, almost as an aside:

We used to "ignore" the French and Italian machines as well, until some people went over there and brought back news from that cycling culture... For the Italians, that happened relatively early, while the "French phenomen" is more recent, dating from the early 1990s, I'd say. I am just the "second generation" in that respect - early proponents of French constructeur bikes were Grant Handley and Mike Kone. (Of course, French bikes in the U.S. are an older phenomenon than that, but the culture never really made it across until recently.) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ All generalizations are expected to have exceptions (how's that for a generalization?), and I'd respectfullly offer a couple on this point. One would be Fred DeLong, author of one of the more prominent pre-1975 on recreational cycling in America, and one show showed me and many others lots about French bikes and touring (Bias alert: I am included in a picture in the 1975 edition). Another example, rather more obscure to most, is Charlie Hamburger, whose line of OTB (Only the Best) bikes is recalled by Cap'n Bike himself: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/otb.html, http://www.sheldonbrown.com/velos.html. I do not know how much OTB was accompanied by an innoculation of French Bicycle culture.

Harvey Sachs
McLean VA