Re: [CR]Re: Huret "Jubilee" -- additional questions

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From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
To: "Hilary Stone" <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <BE2D7134.4A436%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Huret "Jubilee" -- additional questions
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:54:35 -0500
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

What I say is true, but Hilary brings up another variation of solving this Huret mounting problem in the UK. I do not dispute what Hilary says, but I have never seen or heard of a "special tabbed washer" and it is not listed in the 1978 Huret catalog released in the USA that I purchased from VeloRetro. It sounds like Hilary does not dipute what I say, he explains another alternative...

Regards, Steve Neago
Cincinnati, OH


----- Original Message -----
From: Hilary Stone
To: Steve Neago
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Huret "Jubilee" -- additional questions



> This is not really true - for some time Huret made a special tabbed washer
> which made it possible to fit a Jubilee directly to a Campag dropout. This
> washer is different from the tabbed washer used to attach a Duopar to a
> Campy dropout. This washer was not listed in Huret spares list for all the
> time that the Jubilee was manufactured and is very differenty to that used
> when fitting to Huret's own pattern of dropout.
>
> Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
>
>
> > Hello Peter, regarding:
> >
> > <<Are the following statements correct? --- 60's-early 70's French rear
> > derailleurs had a smooth rear derailleur hanger "bolt" which slid into an
> > unthreaded hanger on the frame, or an unthreaded hanger plate, and a lock
> > bolt/nut secured the der in place from the back of the hanger.
> > ("Simplex-style".)>>
>
> Steve Neago wrote:>
> > Yes the Jubilees have a hanger bolt that can screw into either a derailleur
> > hanger on the frame or attach by a Huret derailleur mounting bracket that is
> > later bolted onto the frame. Please note, Jubilee derailleurs were not made
> > to directly fit a Campy dropout, a derailleur mounting bracket must be used.
> > The way to tell is if a Huret dropout is used where they have an etched
> > Huret on the outer dropout side. Jubilees were commonly used on mid-high
> > end racing bikes such as Raleigh Competition, Rene Herse, etc. Jubilee
> > derailleurs do not work well with Campy dropouts because the mounting
> > position for the angle of the derailleur is wrong. I have heard of past
> > owners using a dremel grinder to "fix" this, but it sounds too risky to
> > me...
> >
>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd like to ask the Francophiles a couple of additional, basic questions
> >> which relate to the original question about Juilees. My own collection
> > of
> >> vintage bikes is limited to 70's and later, Campy-style, so I'm a bit
> > vague on
> >> other dropouts, particularly any esoteric variations.
> >>
> >> Are the following statements correct?
> >>
> >> --- 60's-early 70's French rear ders had a smooth rear der hanger "bolt"
> >> which slid into an unthreaded hanger on the frame, or an unthreaded hanger
> >> plate, and a lock bolt/nut secured the der in place from the back of the
> > hanger.
> >> ("Simplex-style".)
> >>
> >> --- Jubilees were made with both Campy-style, and Simplex-style hanger
> > bolts.
> >>
> >> --- Simplex changed their hanger bolt to Campy-style in the mid- to
> >> late-70's.
> >>
> >> I've made up the term "Simplex-style". I assume that there are a number
> > of
> >> earlier, or maybe concurrent, iterations, which might also have been
> > produced
> >> by Simplex, and which might have involved any number of generations of
> >> hanger styles? What names would more accurately or succinctly or clearly
> >> distinguish the 60's-70's French style, and the Italian-style which I
> > refer to
> >> loosely as "Campy-style"?
> >>
> >> As I scratch my head regarding this subject, I think I suddenly
> > understand
> >> why derailleurs, pre-1975 or so, generally came with hanger plates, and
> > frames
> >> were often built without integral der hangers.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Peter Bridge
> >> Four more days in Denver, CO
> >> (Not quite man enough to collect true, vintage, French-style bikes)