I would say that all are KOF bikes. The point Bruce was making, I think, was that Grant Peterson is not "builder" and I agree. One can be a KOF designer and manufacturer and marketer of KOF bikes, but to be a KOF builder, one has to hold the torch. Ernesto Colnago is not a builder either although he was a builder several decades ago.
Regards,
Jerry Moos Houston, TX
FedMaritime@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/30/2005 1:30:00 PM Central Standard Time, thomasthomasa@yahoo.com writes: All true, but the original question was regarding possible sources of a KOF bike that would be true to the heritage of lugged steel while still being compatible with modern parts, and someone suggested Grant Petersen. I understand the reasons that folks disagree. From a purists perspective Grant is not a KOF builder. I believe that Rivendells are KOF bikes. Some will say that Kurt Goodrich is a KOF. Is Goodrich a KOF when he builds under his own name -- but his bikes, as marketed by Rivendell are not representative? Can Rivendell be KOF and Grant not? This all gets very esoteric and goes deep into each persons philosopy of cycling or collecting. How about looking at this way -- four bikes with identical geometries, each with Richard Sachs lugs: one Rivendell built by Goodrich; one Sachs built by Sachs; one Goodrich built by Goodrich; the last a Rivendell rumored to have been built by Richard Sachs -- which ones are KOF bikes?
Reasonable men, differing, reasonably.
Regards,
Carlo Carr New Orleans (At least we all agree that California Masi's have a purer pedigree than Italian Masi's! Or is it the other way around?)