Re: [CR] drifting OT ...5Oth anni. Paramount

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To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] drifting OT ...5Oth anni. Paramount
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:14:34 +0000


AFAIK, Paramounts officially began in 1937, with 50th Anniversary ones being issued in 1987. Am I incorrrect on this? I have an October, 1937 Wastyn that (I think) was built right around the time of the earliest Paramounts. Cheers, Greg "hoping I'm right, if so, do I win anything?" Parker Ann of Arbor, Michigan, USA, Earth

Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: drifting OT ...5Oth anni. Paramount

C-record would also be cool, if it was the earliest (1985) stuff. I think the 50th Paramounts are from around that time, though as I recall they were a bit earlier (this is an easy questiuon to answer, no doubt). I just thought the Shimano would be a little more exact in terms of year of production, since it was around a bit before the early C-rec. The big difference is that early Ace doesn't seem to command "collector" prices and was stock on a lot of production bikes (Treks and 'dales) leaving the option of just buying a complete bike and selling off the unneeded parts. The C-rec stuff was only found on pretty fancy bikes making the stripper approach a lot less practical. Besides, anything nice enough to have that group might be better left intact, which I would not say of a Dura Ace equipped 1985 Trek 2000. Moreover, as expensive as C-record is getting in general, the very early stuff is quite rare and commands "collector" prices when you can find it. The stamped-logo breakaway crank arms are like hens teeth and I've been looking for one in 172.5 or 175 for several years. When they come up on Ebay they go for big bucks, so apparently other people are aware of the logo distinction. The early rear ders, headsets, and hubs are also rare and expensive. Later stuff (1990 or so) gets cheaper, but is still expensive and would not be correct for the age of the frame, IMHO.

Tom Dalton Bethlehem, PA

Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Personally, I don't see why not C-Record. After all, it was good enough for the Bianchi Centenario, an example of which took Best Italian at the 2000 Cirque.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Houston, TX

Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> wrote: What I don't suggest is the old cliche of mounting a 50th anni. Campy group on your 50th anni Paramount. This is the 80's wall-hanger "dream bike" of far too many people. The gold chrome and the gold on the Campy stuff is tooooo much.

How about the first gen version of the Dura Ace 7400? That has to be from nearly the same year as the Paramount and is sort of a new wave interpretation of a classic group (heavily based on Super Record) just like the 50th Paramount itself (modern, nothing like the old nervex-lugged bikes). The 7400 will be cool to have 20 years from now, because it was the first Shimano group that many people felt was better than Campy and the real beginning of Shimano ascendance in the peloton.

Tom Dalton
Bethlehem PA