Re: [CR]Seeking good photos of 531 decals

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Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:07:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Fred Rafael Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Seeking good photos of 531 decals
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: 6667


Jerry,
     It was once my understanding (don't shoot me if it was incorrect) that Reynolds 631 was the same material - metalurgically - as 753. The difference was that 631 was not subjected to the same heat treatment as 753.
     Since I've also read that 753 was the same basic material as 531, does this mean that 631 was simply 531 in thinner gauges? The current Bob Jackson Web site describes 631 as the same material as _853_ but without the heat treatment. Does that mean that the current 631 is different than the original 631? Or does it mean that 853, 753, 631, 531, etc. is whatever Reynolds wants it to be during any particular era?
     That is, at this point, Reynolds might well consider this numerical type-designation to be a marketing tool and - as long as the frame is well built and light - the buyer will never be able to distinguish between subtle metalurgical differences.
      Cheers,
      Fred Rednor - not yet being subjected to heat
              treatment in Arlington, Virginia (USA)


--- Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:


> You're right, these are the modern versions of the decals,
> which are different than the older versions of the decals for
> the same tubesets. The correct 60's/70's PX-10 531 decals are
> posted on the CR site. I was able to obtain photos of the TI
> era French decals through the assistance of a list member.
> Those are also different from the modern version. BTW,
> Reynolds' current webiste is very vague about the alloys of
> their current steel tubesets. 725 and 525 are evidently
> Cr-Mo, but it is not clear whether 631 and 853 are Cr-Mo,
> Mo-Mn like 531, or something else. It appears 531 is now
> produced only to special order. Is 631 its "successor"?
> Also, Mercian's current website quotes various prices for a
> given model according to which Reynolds tubeset is used, plus
> most model/tubeset combos also have a "Special" version.
> That is, the Vincitore has "631" and "Special 631" as well a
> "853" and "Special 853" versions, and the added cost for
> "Special" is pretty steep - about 110 GBP. Are
> they referring to lighter versions of the Reynolds tubesets,
> or does the "Special" denote some variation in Mercian's
> construction?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
> John Everett <jeverett3@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 29 Apr 2005 at 17:06, John Thompson wrote:
>
> > Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:
> >
> > > I'm seeking some good closeup photos of the TI era
> Reynolds 531DB
> > > frame and fork decals IN FRENCH. I'm having these made to
> replace
> > > the ones that are falling off my mid-80's Bertin, but I
> need some
> > > good photos as a guide.
> >
> > Does this help at all?
> >
> >
> http://www.os2.dhs.org/pictures/gallery/Decals/Reynolds_transfers?full=1
>
> It might or it might not. The 531 decals on my PX-10 look
> nothing
> like any of the illustrations on the above referenced web
> page.
>
> John Everett - Aurora, Illinois
>
>
> jeverett3@earthlink.net (John V. Everett)
>
>
>
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